Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Any of our more right wing members done the vote compass?
Curious if it checks out accurately for you.

I am in between Liberal and Conservative, about two thirds closer to Conservatives.

Seems reasonably accurate.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

A completely avoidable own goal. There is no defence the Conservatives can present to this. I'm embarrassed.

That's not to say the Liberals haven't been without scandal for the last 9 years - far from it. But the Conservatives were unable to get ahead of this because of their own stubbornness, or worse, because they allowed a foreign nation to meddle in their politics.

This election will be an even larger majority win for the Liberals than 2015.

It’s wild. And not even the foreign interference part of it, which we knew was occurring and already knew touched the CPC as well as the Liberals.

But the fact that PP refused to get security clearance and then on top of it refused to get informed in any way as CSIS and even Trudeau worked to figure out a solution that would help him despite his lack of clearance is absolutely damning. Completely invalidates every word he’s said on the matter, and now makes his behaviour not just ignorant and irresponsible, but suspect as well.

Massive own goal. I imagine this is the final nail in the coffin for the conservative supporters that actually did genuinely care about the threat of foreign interference.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Cappy

This is so stupid. Im pretty sure we can all agree that PP had that leadership race in the bag. Why be involved (even in an indirect way) to this crap. Very similar to the Kenney Kamikaze scandal. There was no way he wasn't going to win the leadership.

We place so much of our long-term vision into people who can't even look three months ahead.

Also, PP's response to security clearance questions makes no sense:



dude, what?

Ok so he has been "unleashed and unmuzzled" for the past 4 years. What has the piece of dog crap career politician had to say?

Other than 3 word slogans for his moronic base.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Not a RW but bucking the “off centre” trend, it had me right up with the NDP and Greens, with 91/89% respectively.

Maybe RW don’t want to share because it shows them closer to the Liberals lol

Daaamn, and I thought I was high with 82%/81% for the NDP/Green.

[Locke]

Get 'em....?

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Ok so he has been "unleashed and unmuzzled" for the past 4 years. What has the piece of dog crap career politician had to say?

Other than 3 word slogans for his moronic base.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I still can’t get over the fact that a politician would “steal” another politicians policy… What the #### even is this? The Conservatives had wholly original ideas that had never been conceived before. Charge them with plagiarism!

I posted this earlier in the thread in response to a similar post.

The fact that the Liberals are changing and moving to Conservative ideas is a good thing for Canadians.

Regardless of what party is in power, doing what is right for the country is the most important thing.

It would be somewhat validating for the Conservative that the Liberals concede that they were wrong on some things, like the Northern Gateway. But I agree that doesn’t necessarily get the Conservatives more votes.

It’s nice to see the Liberals and Conservatives getting closer to some common ground on projects and ideas that put Canada first, even if the Liberals have to reverse their stance on a few things.

I guess regardless of if you support the Liberals or the Conservatives you should be quite happy that there is some common ground. Seems like a win win for Canada.

[Johnny Makarov]

I hope the U of C takes back his International Relations degree from PeePee LePew. What a stain to the university.

and boobbus's English degree.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s wild. And not even the foreign interference part of it, which we knew was occurring and already knew touched the CPC as well as the Liberals.

But the fact that PP refused to get security clearance and then on top of it refused to get informed in any way as CSIS and even Trudeau worked to figure out a solution that would help him despite his lack of clearance is absolutely damning. Completely invalidates every word he’s said on the matter, and now makes his behaviour not just ignorant and irresponsible, but suspect as well.

Massive own goal. I imagine this is the final nail in the coffin for the conservative supporters that actually did genuinely care about the threat of foreign interference.

I can't get over it. In an environment where the biggest concerns for Canadians are either Trump or the economy, the Conservatives have allowed this to become a bigger talking point against their party than both. How could it possibly have been allowed to get to this point?

The entire CPC party needs an overhaul, from the way they lead, the way they communicate, and the way they campaign.

This should be a turning point for the party.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I can't get over it. In an environment where the biggest concerns for Canadians are either Trump or the economy, the Conservatives have allowed this to become a bigger talking point against their party than both. How could it possibly have been allowed to get to this point?

The entire PC party needs an overhaul, from the way they lead, the way they communicate, and the way they campaign.

This should be a turning point for the party.

hmmm come to think of it. The Libs prob paid the Indians to get PP nominated hahaha what a terrible pick. He is the Brett Krahn of politics.

[PsYcNeT]

I do find it funny that I'm always kind of lumped in as a hard-lefty guy around here when I always seem to be kind of closer to the LPC than anything else most of the time, at least federally.

Spoiler!

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I do find it funny that I'm always kind of lumped in as a hard-lefty guy around here when I always seem to be kind of closer to the LPC than anything else most of the time, at least federally.

Spoiler!

I'm basically the same as you, with a sprinkling of a bit more awesome(slightly left and up).

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I can't get over it. In an environment where the biggest concerns for Canadians are either Trump or the economy, the Conservatives have allowed this to become a bigger talking point against their party than both. How could it possibly have been allowed to get to this point?

The entire PC party needs an overhaul, from the way they lead, the way they communicate, and the way they campaign.

This should be a turning point for the party.

they're not the PC Party.

The Conservative Party of Canada is effectively the Reform Party. The PC Party, both in Alberta and in Canada, sold out to the Reform and the Wild Rose. Don't empower them by referring to them as "PC".

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

they're not the PC Party.

The Conservative Party of Canada is effectively the Reform Party. The PC Party, both in Alberta and in Canada, sold out to the Reform and the Wild Rose. Don't empower them by referring to them as "PC".

And to take it a step further, the Reform party was just Preston Manning's attempt to have a modern recreation of his dad's SoCred party.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Thought I'd be a little more left, but it's damn near centered



Guess I'm one of the rare ones who want more pipelines AND support for the LGBTQ community

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Not a RW but bucking the “off centre” trend, it had me right up with the NDP and Greens, with 91/89% respectively.

Maybe RW don’t want to share because it shows them closer to the Liberals lol

I can't help but think that the CBC is making everyone seem close to the liberals. It did for me even though I agreed with Green Party Policy more than anyone else's.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I posted this a few days ago with no response, does anyone know what he is getting at with that last sentence, and is it what I suspect? If so, that's gotta be a big skeleton.

Logically, there are really only 2 reasons why he wouldn't want to get his security clearance:

1) He won't pass it, or it'll reveal some damaging stuff that he wants to keep under wraps in case it leaks.

2) He wants to maintain the ability to lie about stuff without repercussions. If he receives classified information and then lies about it, then he can get into trouble. I guess that's his idea of being "gagged".

If it's #1, he's just hoping to run out the clock and get elected. Prime Ministers don't actually have to go through the invasive security clearance; they're just granted it automatically.

For #2, his argument has been debunked many times by former CSIS Directors:

Richard Fadden, former CSIS director and national security and intelligence advisor to Stephen Harper and Justin Trudeau

“One, I think he has a responsibility to the public to ensure that people in his party are worthy of being members of the party and members of the House of Commons, and if there’s a suspicion that they’re not, I’d argue it’s his duty to find out and to do something about it. And I guess secondly, he argues that if he has a clearance and he’s been given a briefing, he can’t argue about it. Well, if he never has a briefing, he’s arguing in a vacuum, so I’m not sure how that helps him in a practical sense.”

Ward Elcock, former CSIS director

“The whole thing would be a lot simpler if he would just get clearance … What it frankly says to me, listening to Mr. Poilievre’s normal criticism of the government, he likes to make criticisms that are pretty far-reaching without any visible support. I guess I assume he’s afraid that if he gets a briefing, then he will actually know some facts that he can’t criticize on the basis of those facts. It’s hard to criticize when you actually know something. “

https://globalnews.ca/news/10989610/...ret-clearance/

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I can't help but think that the CBC is making everyone seem close to the liberals. It did for me even though I agreed with Green Party Policy more than anyone else's.

The CBC doesn't make it, they just host it.

Vote Compass is developed by Vox Pop Labs, an independent social enterprise run by academics. To learn more about Vote Compass or Vox Pop Labs visit voxpoplabs.com/votecompass.

Methodology:

Vote Compass calculates the alignment
between the user’s personal views and the positions of the political parties. Party positions are determined by way of a comprehensive review of the public statements made by party officials on the topics included in Vote Compass. Each of the parties included in Vote Com- pass is directly consulted throughout this process and invited on multiple occasions to review the findings and provide feedback

https://www.voxpoplabs.com/votecompass/methodology.pdf


It isn't designed to force anything, just show your alignment to the parties. So if it is showing odd things like you say, you could click through your alignment by issues, and if it is a discrepancy, maybe report it?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Logically, there are really only 2 reasons why he wouldn't want to get his security clearance:

1) He won't pass it, or it'll reveal some damaging stuff that he wants to keep under wraps in case it leaks.

2) He wants to maintain the ability to lie about stuff without repercussions. If he receives classified information and then lies about it, then he can get into trouble. I guess that's his idea of being "gagged".

If it's #1, he's just hoping to run out the clock and get elected. Prime Ministers don't actually have to go through the invasive security clearance; they're just granted it automatically.

For #2, his argument has been debunked many times by former CSIS Directors:

https://globalnews.ca/news/10989610/...ret-clearance/

Right, so most likely he's just holding out until he is elected and gets it without the review? Which means he's deathly afraid of Canadians finding out about whatever it is he's hiding. Now I really want to know, and I think all Canadians should know what he is afraid of us learning about him. It would be irresponsible to vote for someone like that.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Daaamn, and I thought I was high with 82%/81% for the NDP/Green.

Did you weight the questions after? I think both of mine were equal at around 86% before I weighted the questions. Obviously it’s very dependent on the questions they provided, as there are some things left out that I think the NDP could move further left on (or at least take more seriously) and there’s some questions like “should there be more government workers” which I don’t really think is a logical question at all as it’s a result, not a cause, so it seems silly that the NDP said yes.

Also makes it even funnier watching people call guys like Rube “far left” lol.