2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The Flames should be helping Colorado clear cap space for a sweetener. Just rip the bandaid off already. Don't let it rot.

How do you help someone with cap space when you don’t have any

It will cost them almost 20M/year, just to sign Tkachuk, Mangi and Kylington

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

There’s no doubt in my mind that this is a playoff team still.

I didn’t say they weren’t.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

How do you help someone with cap space when you don’t have any

It will cost them almost 20M/year, just to sign Tkachuk, Mangi and Kylington

The idea being if you are ripping the bandaid off, not all of these players will be returning

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The idea being if you are ripping the bandaid off, not all of these players will be returning

Still they have to figure out what to do with them before getting to that phase

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The idea being if you are ripping the bandaid off, not all of these players will be returning

Yeah I think they have to sort out Chucky now before doing anything further.

If Chucky peaces out, then the selling begins. Team didn’t choose that path, but it’s the path they’ll be forced onto.

If Chucky re-signs I’m pretty certain we’ll then see cap dumps and big signings in short order.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

How do you help someone with cap space when you don’t have any

It will cost them almost 20M/year, just to sign Tkachuk, Mangi and Kylington

I’d see Kylington going the other way if the rumour of Girard being the space is true. Could also see it being Johnson though he’s harder to deal with his MTNC (though also easier in a way since it’s only a one year commitment).

That said, the Flames already have a lot of D signed even without Kylington.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

I didn’t say they weren’t.

I was just continuing along similar topic lines, not accusing you of anything.

[saillias]

Seravelli paraphrased on the DFO Rundown last week: If Gaudreau doesn't sign in Calgary, Tkachuk will want out as well.

Molberg tweet: same thing. Tkachuk will want out if Gaudreau doesn't re-sign

So I don't know. To me I'm just curious what the return will be. I would guess he hasn't signed the qualifying offer yet because he wants to get his 8 year payday with his team of choice. That or everyone in the media has vastly misjudged Tkachuk and his priorities

[Roof-Daddy]

Gaudreau and Tkachuk are really hamstringing the Flames this off season.

It's awesome when your favorite team builds up to a point where they are capable of a 111 point season and then your "core" players cripple your GMs ability to build on that because they are Americans who don't want to play for a small market CDN team anymore.

I know I'm prematurely assuming that when it comes to Tkachuk, but we'll see what he does this summer. My bet is the Flames are forced to trade him or risk dealing with Gaudreau V2.0 next summer because I highly doubt there is a long term extension coming for him.

If he won't commit to the Flames long term then it will be even harder than it already is to bring in players like Kadri and Klingberg because combined with the loss of Gaudreau it pretty much erases our contender status, especially in the eyes of others.

Some will say this is a good thing because they don't want the Flames to dole out big UFA contracts to older players and would rather rebuild, but IMO they are not going to rebuild so all this is doing is increasing the odds of being a middling team with a very low chance at a deep playoff run.

Really frustrating having the deck stacked against your favorite team constantly. Get past one hurdle and there is 3 more waiting for you.

[dissentowner]

Why does everyone assume if we have to trade Tkachuk we have to tear it down? Do you think we are getting nothing back for him? I could even argue if BT plays his cards right he can strengthen the team by addressing other areas of need in that deal. My point is if Tkachuk is traded we don't know if the return takes us toward retooling or it is a hockey deal that gives us assets to win now back.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why does everyone assume if we have to trade Tkachuk we have to tear it down? Do you think we are getting nothing back for him? I could even argue if BT plays his cards right he can strengthen the team by addressing other areas of need in that deal. My point is if Tkachuk is traded we don't know if the return takes us toward retooling or it is a hockey deal that gives us assets to win now back.

I think people are just being realistic.

[Psytic]

If Chucky leaves should the Flames maybe stop drafting American players so high? Fox , Johnny, Chucky, who knows with Coronato but he will have the power to being in NCAA. Has to be some lessons learned I would think.

[BlindMilwaukee]

I'm still of the belief you have to draft the best player available.

Look what Fox got us in that trade. Sure I'd prefer a Norris winner but Lindholm might have the best contract in the league.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Psytic

If Chucky leaves should the Flames maybe stop drafting American players so high? Fox , Johnny, Chucky, who knows with Coronato but he will have the power to being in NCAA. Has to be some lessons learned I would think.

Fox, 3rd round. Gaudreau, 4th round. Since when is that drafting high?

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I think people are just being realistic.

I can see the jump to that point of view, but if we sign klingberg that changes things. That frees up a top 4 d for trade, in addition to Tkachuk, if that’s how it plays out. Returns for Tkachuk and Hanifin or Andersson would be substantial. Agree with Dissentowner the team could be strong if Treliving plays his cards right.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why does everyone assume if we have to trade Tkachuk we have to tear it down? Do you think we are getting nothing back for him? I could even argue if BT plays his cards right he can strengthen the team by addressing other areas of need in that deal. My point is if Tkachuk is traded we don't know if the return takes us toward retooling or it is a hockey deal that gives us assets to win now back.

Calgary acquires:

Matt Stajan
Ian White
Jamal Mayers
Niklas Hagman

Toronto acquires:

Dion Phaneuf
Freddie Sjostrom

Trading Tkachuk to help this roster is a fools errand, but it’s absolutely a Calgary Flames Thing™️ to do.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Calgary acquires:

Matt Stajan
Ian White
Jamal Mayers
Niklas Hagman

Toronto acquires:

Dion Phaneuf
Freddie Sjostrom

Trading Tkachuk to help this roster is a fools errand, but it’s absolutely a Calgary Flames Thing™️ to do.

Dougie Hamilton for Lindholm and Hanifin. Doesn't mean the trade will be bad lol

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Dougie Hamilton for Lindholm and Hanifin. Doesn't mean the trade will be bad lol

You would not get that return for one year of Matthew Tkachuk. He would have to sign an extension with the team for them to pay that and I get the feeling he would rather just play out his last year and choose where he plays.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Gaudreau and Tkachuk are really hamstringing the Flames this off season.

Noone saw this coming. This is a surprise to everyone. /snark

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Calgary acquires:

Matt Stajan
Ian White
Jamal Mayers
Niklas Hagman

Toronto acquires:

Dion Phaneuf
Freddie Sjostrom

Trading Tkachuk to help this roster is a fools errand, but it’s absolutely a Calgary Flames Thing™️ to do.

Maybe focus on futures, is what the Phaneuf trade should have been, instead of trading the player for immediate assets. Trade for guys on the cusp, not guys already on the decline. And just a reminder, it was Darryl Sutter who made this trade. Great coach, but a terrible GM.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You would not get that return for one year of Matthew Tkachuk. He would have to sign an extension with the team for them to pay that and I get the feeling he would rather just play out his last year and choose where he plays.

If someone throws gaudreau money and term at him, he’d be foolish to turn it down.