Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Firebot

1993 is almost a carbon copy when Campbell was chosen for PC even down to the percentages.

That is quite the chart, but the Reform Party was able to suck support away from the PCs so efficiently in a way I don't think exists for the Liberals, currently. Pretty much all the Reform gains from their surge came at the PCs expense, which was very notable in Liberal seats won outside of the GTA in Ontario and across the prairies. I don't see the NDP in a position where they're going to have the same kind of surge.



Chretien and the Liberals also got that big 'attack ad' boost at the end after the shift was happening.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

That is quite the chart, but the Reform Party was able to suck support away from the PCs so efficiently in a way I don't think exists for the Liberals, currently. Pretty much all the Reform gains from their surge came at the PCs expense, which was very notable in Liberal seats won outside of the GTA in Ontario and across the prairies. I don't see the NDP in a position where they're going to have the same kind of surge.



Chretien and the Liberals also got that big 'attack ad' boost at the end after the shift was happening.

One of the biggest turning points was the Con attack ad on Chretien. the "would you vote for a guy who looks like this" ad.

[indes]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

You have to imagine their internals are showing something that we're not seeing. I cannot fathom how they haven't pivoted yet.

It's similar to thinking the Americans were hoodwinked into Trump. They weren't, they got exactly what they wanted. The CPC isn't running on ideas contrary to Trump because they want to follow his lead and give up the country. 0 doubt in my mind PP sells us down the river within a year if he wins.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by indes

It's similar to thinking the Americans were hoodwinked into Trump. They weren't, they got exactly what they wanted. The CPC isn't running on ideas contrary to Trump because they want to follow his lead and give up the country. 0 doubt in my mind PP sells us down the river within a year if he wins.

He will never win. Canadians aren't dumb Albertans.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by indes

It's similar to thinking the Americans were hoodwinked into Trump. They weren't, they got exactly what they wanted. The CPC isn't running on ideas contrary to Trump because they want to follow his lead and give up the country. 0 doubt in my mind PP sells us down the river within a year if he wins.

Posts like these are wild.

Zero doubt. Uhuh.

But nothing wrong with 10 years of selling the future of our country to our corporate overlords and TFW programs. Its no wonder the Liberals are using the tariffs and Trumps stupidity to galvanize the base. They found out it is actually super easy to dupe Canadians in both believing thing will be different for the next 10 years!

[PepsiFree]

Everyone but Azure is a duped bootlicker. What are the chances?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Nobody is.

It’s just funny watching the same people who were scoffing at the idea of the CPC needing a change at the top a couple months ago and patting the Cons on the back for their assured victory suddenly turn around and make all sorts of excuses for what people predicted coming true.

1. Nobody . Seriously . It’s fine the predominantly left / centralist board is happy their candidate is winning , and I personally like the (apparent) shift of the liberal party , but you know the hypocrisy is crazy right now reading the thread (from both sides)

2. If Carney was the cons leader and PP was the Liberal leader the numbers would be the same IMO. Carney would be called a weasel , deplorable , capitalist scum , etc .

3. It took a black swan event to swing the polls this dramatically . It isn’t a PP as leader thing (per se).

4. The cons have runs one of the worse 90 day campaigns I have ever seen . As a con supporter historically hearing “carbon tax Carney” for the 10000th time alone made me question my vote - not even including everything else

I can’t believe they continue down the same path . If your only attack point is carbon tax it’s pretty easy to counter as a liberal strategist (cancel the tax)

Especially when you know your own voting base doesn’t actually care about the carbon tax , they just care that you aren’t the cons

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

It’s a good thing the Liberals are being forced to operate like a serious government and worry about things like the economy .

It would also be a good thing in these recent polls force the cons to become more serious about the social concerns a lot of this country has and mature as a party in regards to an actual plan and platform

But it is pretty funny seeing people applauding Carney for cancelling a tax his party created , focusing less on left leaning social issues and fringe topics and more on the economy , and preaching smaller government who were lauding the exact same policies when the cons were saying it for years

If Carney was the PM for the newly elected cons he would be called the favorite CalgaryPuck buzzword - a deplorable . Not caring about the environment . Making minority policies less of a focus vs general economic growth policies.

The liberals have very smartly taken the platform and talking points that PP used to gain support and adopted them into their platform , while appealing to Canadians that they also don’t have the fringe crazy get right politicians and will stand up for Canada

It is a great strategy as has worked masterfully . And I am glad they have shifted to where they are and hope/pray if they win they actually govern this way vs what we have seen for a decade

But let’s not pretend most of what they are shifting too isn’t what the cons have been saying for years - or at least what people who were shifting to the cons have been asking for over the last years

You understand that the world has drastically changed, and it's OK for people to re-evaluate the priorities because of that, right?


Or would you prefer everyone anchor themselves to one dogmatic party and never vote any differently?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Everyone but Azure is a duped bootlicker. What are the chances?

Can’t both sides be duped ! Anyone who thinks any of these politicians are looking out for them is the crazy ones .

Best we can do is try to hold some level of accountability for them

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You understand that the world has drastically changed, and it's OK for people to re-evaluate the priorities because of that, right?


Or would you prefer everyone anchor themselves to one dogmatic party and never vote any differently?

Always good to get a fuzz reply where he doesn’t read the full post and makes statements that weren’t in it at all !

Was waiting for you to come and contribute nothing as is your specialty .

I literally said on line one it’s a good thing . So no I don’t prefer that.

[iggy_oi]

Jason what’s with the whole putting a space between the last word and an apostrophe thing? I can’t handle the suspense.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Always good to get a fuzz reply where he doesn’t read the full post and makes statements that weren’t in it at all !

Was waiting for you to come and contribute nothing as is your specialty .

I literally said on line one it’s a good thing . So no I don’t prefer that.

You don't understand that calling people hypocrites because they change their priorities is a thing people can do. The opposite of that is to not change your priorities, hang on to dogmatic old views and continue to do the same thing over and over, like Alberta voters do.


I'm sorry, I didn't realize your ability to interpret meaning in sentences was so poor. I'll try to be more verbose next time.

[kermitology]

I came across this on Bluesky - some excerpts from Carney's 2021 book Value(s): Building a Better World for All

Spoiler'd for size..

Spoiler!

I was not expecting to read this from someone I had a preconceived notion of as bringing a lurch to the right for the Liberals.

Here is also an interview he did back in October on the Uncommon's podcast that I found really thoughtful. I don't ascribe to any particular party, I've voted Liberal a few times, but that was when I lived in Rob Anders riding, and #### that guy. But I kind of think I have a crush on Mark Carney.

https://pca.st/episode/12e89361-644d...b-875e0df736bf

[indes]

Originally Posted by Azure

Posts like these are wild.

Zero doubt. Uhuh.

But nothing wrong with 10 years of selling the future of our country to our corporate overlords and TFW programs. Its no wonder the Liberals are using the tariffs and Trumps stupidity to galvanize the base. They found out it is actually super easy to dupe Canadians in both believing thing will be different for the next 10 years!

Watching the UCP and the Trump administration do exactly what you're talking about in real time and to extreme levels is why the CPC is losing voter confidence. I stand by my statement that PP won't stand up to Trump and you can see that others feel the same by polling. He made a name for himself and won the conservative leadership with his attack dog persona - exactly what you would expect to see with a trade war going on...so where is it? He's gone harder after Trudeau and the Liberals countless times over almost every policy they've put out. Then Trump comes along and our attack dog just whimpers and lets out the occasional meek "stop it".

Also if you think I'm part of the liberal base then you're not even scratching the surface. I've never voted liberal (or NDP) in my life - until this upcoming election anyways.

[CroFlames]

I want to read that book now.

That analogy by Pope is profound and well said. Dang Frank.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Not questioning, but is there a source for this?

I've seen the $6.97M figure for Carney a couple of times so I checked this website for both.

As of 2025, Pierre Poilievre’s net worth is estimated to be around $5 million, though estimates of his wealth can vary. A significant portion of his income comes from his salary as the leader of the Conservative Party and as a Member of Parliament. In his role as an MP, Poilievre earns a salary of approximately $185,000 per year. As the leader of the opposition, his salary is likely to be higher due to additional stipends and allowances tied to his leadership responsibilities.

https://www.finance-monthly.com/2025...der-of-canada/

Mark Carney’s net worth in 2025 is estimated to range between $5 million and $10 million USD, with some sources pegging it closer to $6.97 million. For a man who has held some of the most prestigious positions in global finance, this figure might seem modest compared to corporate titans or career politicians with inherited wealth. However, Carney’s financial journey reflects a career predominantly rooted in public service, punctuated by lucrative stints in the private sector.

https://www.finance-monthly.com/2025...ister-in-2025/

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by kermitology

I came across this on Bluesky - some excerpts from Carney's 2021 book Value(s): Building a Better World for All

Spoiler'd for size..

Spoiler!

I was not expecting to read this from someone I had a preconceived notion of as bringing a lurch to the right for the Liberals.

Here is also an interview he did back in October on the Uncommon's podcast that I found really thoughtful. I don't ascribe to any particular party, I've voted Liberal a few times, but that was when I lived in Rob Anders riding, and #### that guy. But I kind of think I have a crush on Mark Carney.

https://pca.st/episode/12e89361-644d...b-875e0df736bf

Based on his book and hearing his lectures and podcast appearances - Carney seems to be the most left wing banker I have ever seen.

He is just about how humanity needs to make the market for it, instead of the current situation where humanity works for the market. The market economy vs market society very much matches the lens I view the world through these days.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Especially when it sounds like Carney's net worth is around $7million, compared to PP's $5million. Those are pretty similar, so saying how much money the guy has is a bit of a red herring.

If the guy wanted money he wouldn't have spent 20 years working for central banks and just stayed in the private sector.

I read somewhere that PP's net worth is closer to 25 million

[Johnny Makarov]

$6 billion to the Aussies for a missle defence system.

Cancel the rest of those F35s and use them on drones. and the world's greatest gamers.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north...ctic-1.7486640


... and we should invade Greenland...

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

$6 billion to the Aussies for a missle defence system.

Cancel the rest of those F35s and use them on drones. and the world's greatest gamers.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north...ctic-1.7486640

While it's great he's investing in military infrastructure in the north, I'd maybe like to see some investment in and around Calgary. Maybe a few dozen anti-aircraft batteries, mass artillery buildup, some airstrips, some hedgehogs and dragon teeth alone hwy 2 all the way to the border... y'know, the usual anti-invasion stuff.