Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Azure

So basically you have literally no point to make, so you resort to useless ramblings about what the Conservatives are all about.

Your team can do no wrong, and the other team has no business even asking questions.

To me it just feels like you are missing the point. Is standing up to a threatening and powerful nation not the absolute top priority in this election for you?

Conservatives in this country have aligned themselves with Trump since 2016, both at provincial and national levels. Now they won't even fully distance themselves from him for fear of upsetting their base. Trump stabbed Ukraine in the back and is literally clamoring for Putin to be invited back into the G7... Meanwhile Carney invited Zelenskyy himself to attend. Doesn't that tell you enough about who this country needs in power?

[TherapyforGlencross]

338 Canada calling a Liberal majority at the moment, with 179 seats.

Have we ever seen such a fall before?

[Yamer]

Azure gives the impression they have a very binary view of politics and its various players and seemingly projects that onto almost every conversation and poster in these types of threads.

You're either a bootlicker or conservative.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

338 Canada calling a Liberal majority at the moment, with 179 seats.

Have we ever seen such a fall before?

Given how unpopular the Liberals and Justin were and the insane lead the Conservatives had, if PP doesn't win, he's gonna be classified as one of the worst politicians ever.

If the Liberals win a majority, surely the CPC needs to disband and rebrand.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I always thought Trump winning would be a huge problem for the CPC, but I also thought that meant they'd be reduced to winning a minority and have to work from there. Losing outright would be some kind of choke job, even with the Trump anchor around their neck.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

What’s the best guess as to when there will be an election? Spring? Summer? Fall?

My money is on spring, the week of April 28-May 2.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Azure

Yeah, its also not a huge conflict of interest when he makes political decisions as PM that he knows directly benefit his assets or as an example Brookfield holdings.

The same holds true for all of them in case all the whataboutism chaps what to chime in.

I don't know what the answer is, but lets not all pretend that its not a major issue. Wealth gap anyone? You'd think Mathgod would be all over this, but I guess he has to be a team player of a sudden.

I just love this angle:

"It would be awesome if someone who is accomplished would run for government and straighten things out!"

Guy steps forward wo has been very successful in the private and public sector...

"Oh that guy has too much money and must be in complete conflict"

I mean, it's laughable, really.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Slava

I just love this angle:

"It would be awesome if someone who is accomplished would run for government and straighten things out!"

Guy steps forward wo has been very successful in the private and public sector...

"Oh that guy has too much money and must be in complete conflict"

I mean, it's laughable, really.

Especially when it sounds like Carney's net worth is around $7million, compared to PP's $5million. Those are pretty similar, so saying how much money the guy has is a bit of a red herring.

If the guy wanted money he wouldn't have spent 20 years working for central banks and just stayed in the private sector.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

338 Canada calling a Liberal majority at the moment, with 179 seats.

Have we ever seen such a fall before?

Spoiler!

1993 is almost a carbon copy when Campbell was chosen for PC even down to the percentages.

And

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...deral_election

Recency bias with an unpopular PM resigning with a new leader coming onboard being all over media while parliament is prorogued has some factor. That said, CPC has done very little to address the Trump MAGA elephant and show little indication that they are able to turn things around or have a sudden epiphany. And Carney is doing popular moves and pandering the moderate conservative vote

I think their goose is cooked. Trump was a black swan even and they are too stubborn or beholden to shift necessary gears.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Slava

I just love this angle:

"It would be awesome if someone who is accomplished would run for government and straighten things out!"

Guy steps forward wo has been very successful in the private and public sector...

"Oh that guy has too much money and must be in complete conflict"

I mean, it's laughable, really.

Its not laughable to suggest that our leaders don't let their private interests dictate their decision making in the public field especially given how corporate greed has created so many issues (Brookfield is one such company).

What is actually laughable is how people are so willing to just give a guy a pass because of previous accomplishments when he is on their team. Sounds a lot like what is happening in the US right now.

The icing on the cake is the whataboutism that comes around.

Also, in case its not serious enough, Carney is trying to present himself as an outsider, with all this experience in both worlds. And then he goes and builds a cabinet full of the same morons who spent the last year bringing Canada to the point where our GDP growth is pretty terrible. And yet we're just supposed to say this time will be different? Laughable is not even the right word to explain that. Sad is more like it. Sad that even people like yourself can't understand why people would have an issue with Carney's actions.

So far he's basically the same turd that his predecessor was, with the same turd like policies.

[dammage79]

Well, at least he isn't parroting Trump. And then doing nothing about getting his job qualifications done.


It'd be super easy to vote for Pollievre for way too many people if he showed at least one single iota of situational awareness. Dude is in the middle of the biggest job interview of his life and he still has not gotten security clearance. It's a basic requirement he somehow deems unnecessary.

Pollievre hasn't even show the ability to pivot. His play has always been national issues and beating a liberal party that was ripe for the pickings.

Right now, nobody but Cons care about national issues because some asshat decided to challenge the country's sovereignty. Everybody else has focus shifted and the PCs are still trying to stick to their single policy campaign, which has zero teeth since the tax was literally axed.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

338 Canada calling a Liberal majority at the moment, with 179 seats.

Have we ever seen such a fall before?

This would be the biggest fumbling of the bag in western democratic history. There is nothing even remotely close to this that I've been able to find.

[Firebot]

Ipsos new polls has Liberals at 42, CPC at 36.

Let's see if Poilievre has shifted.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1902039075701641472

Welp.

[bizaro86]

It boggles the mind that the CPC hasn't switched focus. Great, run attack ads but they should be:

"Carney keeps the carbon tax on Canadian businesses - he's driving them to the US just like Trump wants"

"Carney moved his business to the USA - he's not fighting for our jobs"

"The Liberals have been underinvesting in Canada's military for years, and now Carney is waffling on upgrades when there's a real threat"

Trump is clearly the #1 issue - they need to present themselves as being better able to deal with him.

[Torture]

So, what's everyone's bets on when the election is called?

[dammage79]

New CpC slogan "TAX THE AXE"

[dammage79]

I see Canada and Australia are paring up for northern over the horizon radar . Seems like a big thing for northern defense and stepping back from U.S reliance.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

It boggles the mind that the CPC hasn't switched focus. Great, run attack ads but they should be:

"Carney keeps the carbon tax on Canadian businesses - he's driving them to the US just like Trump wants"

"Carney moved his business to the USA - he's not fighting for our jobs"

"The Liberals have been underinvesting in Canada's military for years, and now Carney is waffling on upgrades when there's a real threat"

Trump is clearly the #1 issue - they need to present themselves as being better able to deal with him.

You have to imagine their internals are showing something that we're not seeing. I cannot fathom how they haven't pivoted yet.

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by Slava

I just love this angle:

"It would be awesome if someone who is accomplished would run for government and straighten things out!"

Guy steps forward wo has been very successful in the private and public sector...

"Oh that guy has too much money and must be in complete conflict"

I mean, it's laughable, really.

His assets are now in a blind trust managed by a third party.

He literally can’t disclose, because he doesn’t know anymore, by definition.

This is the most grasping at straws non-controversy I’ve seen in awhile.

CPC should focus on distancing from Trump and putting forward a compelling vision for the country. Rhyme time name calling is juvenile and off putting.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

His assets are now in a blind trust managed by a third party.

He literally can’t disclose, because he doesn’t know anymore, by definition.

This is the most grasping at straws non-controversy I’ve seen in awhile.

CPC should focus on distancing from Trump and putting forward a compelling vision for the country. Rhyme time name calling is juvenile and off putting.

It's a bit more nuanced than that though. He could disclose what he held, and some of those assets are shares that are to be liquidated at a later date so it's unlikely that they would be liquidated.

Having said that, those assets are already publicly known. He had 60 days to give them to the privacy commissioner and then they become public within 60 days from then. Thems the rules and were not there yet