Black Lives Matter get police float kicked out of Pride Parade

[savemedrzaius]

Did the Liberals have "LibsBGT" signs?

Just seems cheap to take an acronym people use to define themselves and change it to promote your own agenda.

If Tim Hortons had people marching and they had signs that said "LBGTim Hortons" it would still be tasteless and people would be on their case.

The Conservatives did something stupid. It isn't partisanship.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Hey what do you know another black man was gunned down in his car by the police in Minnesota. "Tantrum laden" indeed.

Naw, BLM overplayed their hand long ago. They should probably stop interrupting family activities.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Hey what do you know another black man was gunned down in his car by the police in Minnesota. "Tantrum laden" indeed.

Pretty sure he was just poor. MOBILITY ISSUES, THINK!

[nik-]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Hey what do you know another black man was gunned down in his car by the police in Minnesota. "Tantrum laden" indeed.

And what have they done except force most people to tune out?

Absolutely there is an issue. BLM has done nothing for the cause.

[PsYcNeT]

Yeah nobody is talking about this at all.

Way to go BLM, hoisted by your own petard.

[nik-]

Way to go indeed. One day we'll have to sit down and document all the change they've initiated.

One day when we have a ton of time to spare, obviously.

[CliffFletcher]

More whites than blacks are killed by police in the U.S. By far. And yet the media coverage of blacks killed is an order of magnitude higher.

This article in the Washington Post goes into the numbers in detail.

Adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown of the U.S. population, he said black men are 3.5 times more likely to be killed by police than white men. But also adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown in violent crime, the data actually show that police are less likely to kill black suspects than white ones.

“If one adjusts for the racial disparity in the homicide rate or the rate at which police are feloniously killed, whites are actually more likely to be killed by police than blacks,” said Mr. Moskos, a former Baltimore cop and author of the book “Cop in the Hood.”

“Adjusted for the homicide rate, whites are 1.7 times more likely than blacks die at the hands of police,” he said. “Adjusted for the racial disparity at which police are feloniously killed, whites are 1.3 times more likely than blacks to die at the hands of police.”

[peter12]

Haha, Cliff.

Here is a further column that corroborates even further what you are saying. The BLM narrative is based on cognitive anchor effects and political antagonism.

In a year-long study, The Washington Post found that the kind of incidents that have ignited protests in many U.S. communities — most often, white police officers killing unarmed black men — represent less than 4 percent of fatal police shootings. Meanwhile, The Post found that the great majority of people who died at the hands of the police fit at least one of three categories: they were wielding weapons, they were suicidal or mentally troubled, or they ran when officers told them to halt.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

More whites than blacks are killed by police in the U.S. By far. And yet the media coverage of blacks killed is an order of magnitude higher.

This article in the Washington Post goes into the numbers in detail.

It's not about that, it's about lecture circuit money

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Yeah, better the Conservatives never utter any support for LGBT issues at all. The most important thing here is to sustain angry political partisanship.

Wow are you ever amazing at missing the point. You don't see erasing one of the core identities of LGBTQ, perhaps the most marginalized of that community at this point and one the Conservatives have still shown reluctance to accept, as problematic? As others have said, I'd absolutely be crapping on the Liberals or any other entity for doing this because it shows how completely disingenuous and self-serving their involvement was.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Wow are you ever amazing at missing the point. You don't see erasing one of the core identities of LGBTQ, perhaps the most marginalized of that community at this point and one the Conservatives have still shown reluctance to accept, as problematic? As others have said, I'd absolutely be crapping on the Liberals or any other entity for doing this because it shows how completely disingenuous and self-serving their involvement was.

Oh, the oozing smug.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Be careful you don't cut yourself on all that edge.

Writing that on a blue jeans and cowboy hat filled C-train while commuting to work will do that to ya

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Wow are you ever amazing at missing the point. You don't see erasing one of the core identities of LGBTQ, perhaps the most marginalized of that community at this point and one the Conservatives have still shown reluctance to accept, as problematic? As others have said, I'd absolutely be crapping on the Liberals or any other entity for doing this because it shows how completely disingenuous and self-serving their involvement was.

Do you honestly think that "erasing" one of the core identities was the intent? C'mon man. Feel free to say "LGBTory" is misguided as a slogan for that reason, but you are clearly manufacturing ill intent.

[ernie]

Unless I read incorrectly that article that says whites are more likely to be killed is based on including the racial breakdown of violent crime (not all crime btw but violent crime). It doesn't really change the fact that based on population blacks are killed at 3.5 times the rate by police officers.

"Correcting" for violent crime racial make-up just further illustrates the issue in the US when it comes to inner cities, education etc. Instead of trying to justify why the rate isn't as bad as it looks or if we divide by this and this it's actually less how about recognize that racism in the US is a huge issue and it's not getting better.

Why is it Black Lives matter and not Every life matters? You just need to look at damn near every study on the racial disparity in the justice system to find out why. I find it extremely hard to believe that the disparity starts and ends at trial and sentencing.

[Flash Walken]

Jesus. Christ.

How defensive and tone deaf can you get?

"Oooh, layton walked in the gay pride parade, look at him pandering." completely ignores Layton and the NDP were champions of gay rights long before it was a populist issue. How simple do you have to be to not understand the reason the Tory's walking in the pride parade is hypocritical because they are the only major party in Canada that continues to endorse anti-gay party members and policy directives?

Was it Layton who threatened to use the Notwithstanding clause to prevent Alberta from having to marry gays?

Was Justin Trudeau the PM for the last 10 years.

The tories wanted to define marriage as between a man and a woman as little as 2 months ago:



Blah Blah blah, Layton, Blah BLah Blah Trudeau.

Embarassing.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Hey what do you know another black man was gunned down in his car by the police in Minnesota. "Tantrum laden" indeed.

The question you have to ask is what effect BLM's tantrums are going to have. Will they advance the discussion, or hold it back?

Remember, criticizing the actions of a group is not synonymous with criticizing the group's cause.

[peter12]

Man, these goalposts keep moving.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Remember, criticizing the actions of a group is not synonymous with criticizing the group's cause.

Originally Posted by peter12

Man, these goalposts keep moving.

You could put them down then.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by ernie

Unless I read incorrectly that article that says whites are more likely to be killed is based on including the racial breakdown of violent crime (not all crime btw but violent crime). It doesn't really change the fact that based on population blacks are killed at 3.5 times the rate by police officers.

"Correcting" for violent crime racial make-up just further illustrates the issue in the US when it comes to inner cities, education etc. Instead of trying to justify why the rate isn't as bad as it looks or if we divide by this and this it's actually less how about recognize that racism in the US is a huge issue and it's not getting better.

Why is it Black Lives matter and not Every life matters? You just need to look at damn near every study on the racial disparity in the justice system to find out why. I find it extremely hard to believe that the disparity starts and ends at trial and sentencing.

It is very correct to say that this is a sociological issue.

This book comes highly recommended.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yeah, I'm aware there are fiscally conservative gays. Hi.

It's two faced because it's what you do as a party that defines you, not what event you show up to. Being gay and fiscally conservative isn't some magic thing that wows the LGBTQ community, there are a significant amount of people just like that. It's not brave, or admirable. It's just life. Being gay doesn't restrict you to certain political leanings.

The point is that marching is easy. It's easy to say "Look, we support you" without actually showing support on a policy level. Actually support the community in your actions as a party, and then march all you want. It has nothing to do with some "if you were bad once why try" boneheaded nonsense, it's about not taking the easiest, most meaningless showing of support and think it's enough. This is not saying "Hey, Liberals good, Conservatives bad" because yeah, the Liberals are pretty new at being ok at it too. This isn't about certain parties marching in the parade and whether they're allowed: The point is that marching in the parade is meaningless when you do very little to support the LGBTQ community otherwise.

And no, the changing of the T isn't grasping at straws, unless you have basically zero respect for what the T stands for. It's not the biggest issue, but it's completely ignorant.

A political party by its very nature has a large variety of official party views. No member is going to agree with every single position in the party. If you do, then you aren't properly forming political views and are acting like a partisan clown. So no, the party does not "define you", and if it does, you have problems.

In every party, I guarantee you there are some members that support and oppose gay marriage. The conservatives who support it, should be applauded for standing up against the party and pushing for change. You act like the Conservative party is the only party that attempts to woe a wide variety of a voter base.

Anyways, for the record I most certainly do not vote Conservative or oppose gay marriage in any way. I just don't see the issue here.

And LGBTory is actually a splinter organization formed by LGBT member of the Conservative party:

http://www.lgbtory.ca/

The group includes Trans members, who seem to be just fine with the LGBTory thing. I don't see any evidence here that this is an official party stance designed to change the public image of the party. It looks to be a spontaneous movement formed by already existing LGBT members of the Conservative Party.