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Zulu29 · 03-19-2013, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Incorrect. They are responsible for the mall "grounds", that includes the interior and exterior. All that land that is the parking lot is their responsibility as well.

Alright I stand corrected, so they should have followed him around until he left the grounds or called the police if he was such a problem.

puckluck2 · 03-19-2013, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Incorrect. They are responsible for the mall "grounds", that includes the interior and exterior. All that land that is the parking lot is their responsibility as well.

And that still doesn't give them the right to assault, which I guarantee will be the outcome charges on at least one of the clowns.

Keep defending these clowns, it shows a lot about someone that they can't look past how a guy looks and see who's in the right and who is in the wrong.

undercoverbrother · 03-19-2013, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by puckluck2

And that still doesn't give them the right to assault, which I guarantee will be the outcome charges on at least one of the clowns.

Keep defending these clowns, it shows a lot about someone that they can't look past how a guy looks and see who's in the right and who is in the wrong.

I have not defended them. I have said that we need a complete fact picture prior to making a decision.

For example, if a forum member only read your posts in this thread they would think you were a reactionary know it all, that lacked the ability/desire to see both sides of an issue prior to making a decision....

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Keep defending these clowns, it shows a lot about someone that they can't look past how a guy looks and see who's in the right and who is in the wrong

Says the guy that classifies all "rent-a-cops" as $10/hr losers......

Kjesse · 03-19-2013, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

This guy is clearly active resistant allowing them to use controlling force, being a vocal victim during the restraining process while physically resisting is a very common thing these days. The only excess use of force I saw in that video was the one guy who came out of nowhere and started punching the guy in the sides to get his arms into an arrestable position, that is a total cop move and he isn't one, he is a licensed security guard. Aside from that, the whole situation went down right.

You've got to be kidding...

...you can tell there is a good reason for those guards using controlling force?
...you can tell another guard needed to come in and start punching so that the guy's hands could be put behind his back?
...you can tell, that notwithstanding the punches (which you justify, but now say are wrong) that the "whole situation went down right"?

The mall cop coming in issuing punches is clearly wrong based on what we can see on the video.

Whether all those mall cops should be holding that guy to the ground in the first place is unknown at this point.

puckluck2 · 03-19-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I have not defended them. I have said that we need a complete fact picture prior to making a decision.

For example, if a forum member only read your posts in this thread they would think you were a reactionary know it all, that lacked the ability/desire to see both sides of an issue prior to making a decision....

Says the guy that classifies all "rent-a-cops" as $10/hr losers......

It doesn't matter what he did.

Why can't you grasp that. Punching a guy while he's being subdued by 5 other guys is wrong and even one of the saner rent-a-cops realized that and had to hold him back.

There was absolutely no reason to punch him while he was on the floor. A punch isn't going to make his hands magically handcuffed.

Keep fighting the good fight though UCB. And I don't care if I come across as a know-it-all, I'd rather come across as that then a person who defends people breaking the law. You say you've got history dealing with Chinook security but with your fib-telling history on CP I highly doubt that.

Fire · 03-19-2013, 10:51 AM

From watching the video the punches were nothing more than love taps trying to position his body in the right position in order to cuff him. The guy sounds like a loser. Maybe more beatings would put some sense in him.

Zulu29 · 03-19-2013, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Fire

From watching the video the punches were nothing more than love taps trying to position his body in the right position in order to cuff him. The guy sounds like a loser. Maybe more beatings would put some sense in him.

It's not Chinook Centre Security's job to do that.

Rathji · 03-19-2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by valo403

He is only actively resisting in the video because 6 security guards are on top of him. Do you expect him to just go into passive mode? These aren't cops. These are security guards. The authority to even engage in this type of restraint is suspect.

Video of the lead up is certainly crucial, but based on what we have the attempt to say that this was justified (other than the punches) under that protocol diagram was total garbage. You don't get to work through it backwards to justify your actions.

I agree fully, but based on what we see in the video we don't know what happened before. I guess it really boils down to, do you automatically trust what this guy says or would you like more evidence.

Either way, I think we all agree the punches were inappropriate.

undercoverbrother · 03-19-2013, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by puckluck2

Keep fighting the good fight though UCB. And I don't care if I come across as a know-it-all, I'd rather come across as that then a person who defends people breaking the law. You say you've got history dealing with Chinook security but with your fib-telling history on CP I highly doubt that.

Again, and I know you might be slow.....but where in this thread have I defended their actions?

Also, please fill me in on the "fib-telling history".

Also, ask yourself why your name has been changed to puckluck2.........

valo403 · 03-19-2013, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Rathji

I agree fully, but based on what we see in the video we don't know what happened before. I guess it really boils down to, do you automatically trust what this guy says or would you like more evidence.

Either way, I think we all agree the punches were inappropriate.

Oh I definitely want more evidence before concluding anything, which was the point I was making about using that diagram to conclude that this was acceptable.

puckluck2 · 03-19-2013, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Again, and I know you might be slow.....but where in this thread have I defended their actions?

Also, please fill me in on the "fib-telling history".

Also, ask yourself why your name has been changed to puckluck2.........

Not that it's any of your business but it's because I asked.

undercoverbrother · 03-19-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by puckluck2

Not that it's any of your business but it's because I asked.

useless

valo403 · 03-19-2013, 11:12 AM

Well this is entertaining. Which one of you has neck tattoos?

undercoverbrother · 03-19-2013, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by valo403

Well this is entertaining. Which one of you has neck tattoos?

Tuff call eh?

One lives in Forest Lawn, one lives in Central Alberta.......

GreatWhiteEbola · 03-19-2013, 11:13 AM

Where is Chinook Center Mall security when you need them?

valo403 · 03-19-2013, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Tuff call eh?

One lives in Forest Lawn, one lives in Central Alberta.......

Well glad to see you're in for the generalization game.

Actually, if I absolutely had to bet on one, it'd be you

undercoverbrother · 03-19-2013, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by valo403

Well glad to see you're in for the generalization game.

Actually, if I absolutely had to bet on one, it'd be you

swing and a miss.........

PsYcNeT · 03-19-2013, 11:27 AM

Lock thread, delete the internet.

malcolmk14 · 03-19-2013, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ricosuave

its funny how people like this often find themselves in situations like this.

Even though this is a generalized statement, there's some element of truth to this. I've been to Chinook mall hundreds of times and I've never had my ass beaten down by security guards but that may be because I treat other people with respect and don't act like a total ###### clown.

If I was sitting on an escalator (I wouldn't do that, why would anyone put their own safety at risk by sitting on an escalator?) and a Security guard asked me to stand up, I'd stand up. That would be the end of the altercation right there at that moment.

This guy didn't deserve what he got, no one would deserve that. But judging by his "look at me" attitude after the fact, he probably wasn't all that respectful in the moment to the security personnel. He was clearly disrespectful enough to make a few guys want to pound on him.

gargamel · 03-19-2013, 12:19 PM

Why is it only taboo to blame the victim when it comes to rape? Regardless of what happened before the video started rolling, there's no defense for some of the actions on that tape.