BCS Standings

[transplant99]

Yup...Hawaii clinched a BCS game last night, but in no way should they be any where near the NC game, and I actually really like them. That was a very poor Washington team that they played and it took everything they had to beat them.

USC played 4 top 25 teams this season, 2 of which are still there as of today. One of those four was Nebraska, and people talk about the SEC being overrated?

USC played Oregon, ND, Cal, Az St, UCLA, and Nebraska, all teams that were ranked at some point this year. They lost only to Oregon who was #2 at the time and in Eugene and by all of 7 points. The other point no one mentions is that USC plays a balanced home/road schedule playing 6 of each. LSU played 7 in Baton Rouge and 1 in New Orleans (essentially a home game) while travelling 4 times. OSU played 7 at home and 5 on the road.

The SEC IS way over rated THIS year anyhow. At the beginning of the season (and this shows how flawed the whole damn system is) the Trojans had on paper, the toughest schedule of any BCS team in the country. Not a single cupcake scheduled other than Idaho which was a commitment made years ago.

Nebraska and ND ended up being complete dogs, but no one saw that coming. The LSU and OSU teams scheduled dog after dog for their OOC games, and that should be given some serious thought by the voters. As bad as ND and Nebraska are, they are still better than the Kent St./Youngstown St/Akron/Tulane/ LA Tech/Middle Tennesee teams of the world.

With the current set up, teams that want to be considered NC contenders should only schedule very weak OOC games because thats how you have a good overall record at the end of the year. Thats not a good thing for CFB though.

[Saint Troy]

What a gong show, easily going to be the worst national champion for some time, I can't remember a season where almost every highly ranked team choked. IMO, the best two teams right now are LSU and USC, but I'm sure an average Ohio state team will be playing for the title again. Hawaii is not good enough, but damn I'd love to see them get a shot.

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by Saint Troy

What a gong show, easily going to be the worst national champion for some time, I can't remember a season where almost every highly ranked team choked. IMO, the best two teams right now are LSU and USC, but I'm sure an average Ohio state team will be playing for the title again. Hawaii is not good enough, but damn I'd love to see them get a shot.

LSU? Georgia is the best team in the SEC hands down and they are red hot.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yup...Hawaii clinched a BCS game last night, but in no way should they be any where near the NC game, and I actually really like them. That was a very poor Washington team that they played and it took everything they had to beat them.



USC played Oregon, ND, Cal, Az St, UCLA, and Nebraska, all teams that were ranked at some point this year. They lost only to Oregon who was #2 at the time and in Eugene and by all of 7 points. The other point no one mentions is that USC plays a balanced home/road schedule playing 6 of each. LSU played 7 in Baton Rouge and 1 in New Orleans (essentially a home game) while travelling 4 times. OSU played 7 at home and 5 on the road.

The SEC IS way over rated THIS year anyhow. At the beginning of the season (and this shows how flawed the whole damn system is) the Trojans had on paper, the toughest schedule of any BCS team in the country. Not a single cupcake scheduled other than Idaho which was a commitment made years ago.

Nebraska and ND ended up being complete dogs, but no one saw that coming. The LSU and OSU teams scheduled dog after dog for their OOC games, and that should be given some serious thought by the voters. As bad as ND and Nebraska are, they are still better than the Kent St./Youngstown St/Akron/Tulane/ LA Tech/Middle Tennesee teams of the world.

With the current set up, teams that want to be considered NC contenders should only schedule very weak OOC games because thats how you have a good overall record at the end of the year. Thats not a good thing for CFB though.

I'm not implying that USC is overrated, I think they are a fine team. Nebraska was the one that proved to be less than worthy.

I don't have an issue with a perennial top 10 team scheduling more home games than road games. Nor do I have issue scheduling less than stellar opponents if you have a tough conference.

It's the second tier teams and small conference schools that should have to prove they belong by challenging bigger schools in hostile environments. Hawaii is a perfect example, they consistently play more home games than road, and typically schedule easy marks for OOC games.

Personally, I think one of the biggest issues is pre-season rankings. If the AP and Coaches polls were to wait until week 4 to vote on initial polls, many of the overrated/underrated scenarios would iron themselves out.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

Agreed, Hawaii does deserve a BCS game this year. Being undefeated in a season when there will be a 2 loss team in the title game cannot be denied.

With the new format starting last year, adding a 5th game, mid majors get an automatic bid if they are 12th ranked or better.

The way the 'drafting' of BCS at large teams go, the site hosting the NC usually will get the mid major. That's how BSU ended up at the Fiesta last year.

The only way out that I see is that with the first at large pick, the Fiesta takes Hawaii over Kansas and ASU. I can see them taking Hawaii over Kansas because it elimiates a routine BigXII matchup, however I cannot seem them taking Hawaii over ASU, the city would riot.

So Hawaii will very likely end up in the Sugar.

[transplant99]

LSU? Georgia is the best team in the SEC hands down and they are red hot.

Perhaps they are, but in no way can they get the nod over LSU when they didnt even win their own division, never mind the whole conference. LSU did both those things.

If the AP and Coaches polls were to wait until week 4 to vote on initial polls, many of the overrated/underrated scenarios would iron themselves out

Terrific point and one I would love to see implemented, but we are both living a pipe dream with it. The hype as the season approaches starts with those Harris and AP polls. Its such a ridiculous way of doing things it's laughable. Some arbitrary number is assigned to a bunch of arbitrary teams by a bunch of unkown voters...and that goes a LONG way to deciding season ending rankings. What other sport of ANY kind would even entertain such a system?

Playoffs...its the ONLY way things can be settled properly. Take the top 8 clubs at seasons end and have at 'er. Bowl games can ALL be incorporated as part of the playoff system and those committees still get to make all the money etc etc etc.. It seems so simple and logical, which is why it will never happen.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

With the new format starting last year, adding a 5th game, mid majors get an automatic bid if they are 12th ranked or better.

The way the 'drafting' of BCS at large teams go, the site hosting the NC usually will get the mid major. That's how BSU ended up at the Fiesta last year.

The only way out that I see is that with the first at large pick, the Fiesta takes Hawaii over Kansas and ASU. I can see them taking Hawaii over Kansas because it elimiates a routine BigXII matchup, however I cannot seem them taking Hawaii over ASU, the city would riot.

So Hawaii will very likely end up in the Sugar.

Count on it.

So who would everyone want too see in the NC game?

Right now I would love to see LSU/USC as I believe they are the two best teams in the country with OSU a bit behind. OK State can also make a pretty good argument, but WV/Kansas/Georgia/Va Tech cannot.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

Locker is only a Freshman, he's going to be a good one.

As a Huskie fan he's going to be a treat to watch for three more years.

I just hope that Willingham is smart enough to put him in an offense similar to West Virginia's to utilize his talents properly. He has the most natural running talent of any QB in the NCAA.

The ratings for the BCS Selection Show tonight are going to be through the roof.

I personally hope it's OSU/USC for the National Championship. I just think that LSU is the most over-rated team in the country and they're very lucky to only have 2 losses. In my opinion you can't win in the last minute against average teams every week and be the second best team in the country. You can't keep OSU out simply because they're the only BCS conference one-loss team and their loss came to a very good Illinois team.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Count on it.

So who would everyone want too see in the NC game?

Right now I would love to see LSU/USC as I believe they are the two best teams in the country with OSU a bit behind. OK State can also make a pretty good argument, but WV/Kansas/Georgia/Va Tech cannot.

LSU/USC would be my ideal matchup, though I would be happy with LSU/Oklahoma as well. I would be confident that LSU could win both of those games with a month to prepare, and a healthy Flynn and Dorsey. Not as confident as Ohio State vs. LSU though.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

LSU/USC would be my ideal matchup, though I would be happy with LSU/Oklahoma as well. I would be confident that LSU could win both of those games with a month to prepare, and a healthy Flynn and Dorsey. Not as confident as Ohio State vs. LSU though.

Interesting.

I think LSU will SMOKE OSU. I think that USC beats LSU or OSU.

[Flames in 07]

1st pick:
USC vs LSU

2nd pick:
USC vs OSU

3rd pick
USC vs OK

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Perhaps they are, but in no way can they get the nod over LSU when they didnt even win their own division, never mind the whole conference. LSU did both those things.


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um, he said the best two teams.

[JayP]

The more I think about it - Va Tech should be in the discussion.

Yes, everyone will bring up the loss to LSU, but let's remember that game was 3 months ago and both teams are very different teams. Based on their resume, Va Tech is clearly the better choice. Their losses came to BC and LSU - 2 top 15 teams. Only Georgia's losses are comparable among teams in the conversation. They've beat 3 top 25 teams and are playing great football.

VT was ahead of LSU in the BCS before this week, played a better opponent, and beat them more convincingly.

I think it would be a joke if LSU made it - two losses to opponents who are unranked at the end of the season? They'll make it it would be purely on hype than anything else. The same hype that has Dorsey in the Hesiman talk when the guy has been garbage for half the year (due to injury, but that's irrelevant). The same hype that talks up LSU's defense when they allowed 24+ points for 6 straight conference games (including 50 vs. Arkansas).

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Interesting.

I think LSU will SMOKE OSU. I think that USC beats LSU or OSU.

My intention was to imply that I was confident in LSU against OU or USC, but not as confident as I am against OSU. LSU would roll OSU.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

My intention was to imply that I was confident in LSU against OU or USC, but not as confident as I am against OSU. LSU would roll OSU.

No, they wouldn't.

OSU struggles against the spread. OSU dominates anything closely resembling a pro style offense.

You can't tell me LSU has a better offense than Michigan and OSU's defense absolutely dominated them.

OSU has two losses in the past two seasons - both against spread attacks. Until a non-spread attack beats them there's no way you can argue with 2 seasons of results. OSU might not win, but their defense will keep them in the National Championship game based on who the potential opponents are. They certainly wouldn't get rolled.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by JayP

No, they wouldn't.

OSU struggles against the spread. OSU dominates anything closely resembling a pro style offense.

You can't tell me LSU has a better offense than Michigan and OSU's defense absolutely dominated them.

OSU has two losses in the past two seasons - both against spread attacks. Until a non-spread attack beats them there's no way you can argue with 2 seasons of results. OSU might not win, but their defense will keep them in the National Championship game based on who the potential opponents are. They certainly wouldn't get rolled.

We'll definitely see. They only have 3 losses in the past three seasons (Texas, Florida, Illinois)... but this year they didnt play anyone to make me think theyre legit. No one.

LSU is a very good team and USC is starting to play well and is getting healthy. The LSU-OSU game would be very defensive but I think LSU wins comfortably.

As for Viriginia Tech - I hope they get left out. Theyre terrible and offensively, theyre not deserving of being in the top 25 (their special teams gets them by).

[Montana Moe]

Agree to disagree, I guess. That, of course is what discussion forums are for.

I think Ohio State would be fortunate to keep a game against LSU in the Superdome to within 2 TD's.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

We'll definitely see. They only have 3 losses in the past three seasons (Texas, Florida, Illinois)... but this year they didnt play anyone to make me think theyre legit. No one.

LSU is a very good team and USC is starting to play well and is getting healthy. The LSU-OSU game would be very defensive but I think LSU wins comfortably.

As for Viriginia Tech - I hope they get left out. Theyre terrible and offensively, theyre not deserving of being in the top 25 (their special teams gets them by).

LSU hasn't won comfortably against worse competition in months. Why would OSU be any different? If Erik Ainge shows up yesterday LSU isn't even in the conversation.

After seeing the polls today I've come to the conclusion that the BCS doesn't work. All the polls from past weeks have been completely thrown out the door to make way for the most over-hyped team in college football. What the hell is the point of the poll system if the previous 13 week's polls mean nothing when putting together the last one?

Va Tech beat a better team than LSU and looked better doing it, but they stay stagnant yet LSU jumps 5 spots? What a disgrace. If they're going to select polls and who they think would win then Georgia and USC should be in the Championship game because they would both crush LSU.

There needs to be a four team playoff (which I guess is a plus one).

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

Agree to disagree, I guess. That, of course is what discussion forums are for.

I think Ohio State would be fortunate to keep a game against LSU in the Superdome to within 2 TD's.

Why though?

LSU hasn't won a game against a BCS opponent by more than 7 points in months. The fact that it's at the Superdome is irrelevant. They haven't been able to win convincingly at home in months.

You have to go back to September of 2005 for the last time OSU has lost to a non-spread offense. But all of a sudden an offense led by Matt Flynn and with a bunch of good, not great running backs are going to roll them by 14+ points. I highly doubt that. Based on LSU's defense this year they'd have to put up around 35 points to do that. That's simply not going to happen against OSU's D.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by JayP

Why though?

LSU hasn't won a game against a BCS opponent by more than 7 points in months. The fact that it's at the Superdome is irrelevant. They haven't been able to win convincingly at home in months.

You have to go back to September of 2005 for the last time OSU has lost to a non-spread offense. But all of a sudden an offense led by Matt Flynn and with a bunch of good, not great running backs are going to roll them by 14+ points. I highly doubt that. Based on LSU's defense this year they'd have to put up around 35 points to do that. That's simply not going to happen against OSU's D.

This sounds like all the talk about how good OSU was before last year's championship game. And... not so much. Im hoping the same thing plays out this year, putting another smudge on the Big 11's rep.