BCS Standings

[transplant99]

I'm watching the App State/ Eastern Washington (AS going to win going away) and no one can tell me that this system doesn't produce GREAT games and decides a legitimate champion.

That's the best argument of all...if it works in D 1 AA ball (or whatever they call it now) why in the world would it not work in D 1 ball?

EDIT: EWU just made it a 3 pt game with 28 seconds left...this is #14 vs #5 and the Eagles are giving APP st all they can handle in their own backyard. great football game.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

The Big East is bad... but at least they have put themselves against a measuring stick. The non-conference games played by the Big Ten are laughable. Who has Ohio State beat? Michigan? Michigan State? Wisconsin? Not exactly the best gauges of ability.

Michigan played Oregon and consistently plays ND. Not really their fault that Weis has coached/Willingham recruited ND to the garbage it is this year. I think that is an okay OOC schedule for today's standards.

Mich St. and Penn St. also played ND. So it looks like the Big Ten was hurt by ND sucking. If they had been at least where they have been lately (9-3, 15th in the nation type numbers) the OOC would look better.

Ohio St. played nobody but did just come off a home and home with Texas, will play a home and home with USC starting next year and I believe I heard they were going to do a home and home with Miami after that. So they have shown a willingness to play tough OOC teams.

Not sure who the big teams that the Big East played OOC to put themselves against a measuring stick. S. Florida played Auburn thats about it.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by moon

Michigan played Oregon and consistently plays ND. Not really their fault that Weis has coached/Willingham recruited ND to the garbage it is this year. I think that is an okay OOC schedule for today's standards.

Mich St. and Penn St. also played ND. So it looks like the Big Ten was hurt by ND sucking. If they had been at least where they have been lately (9-3, 15th in the nation type numbers) the OOC would look better.

Ohio St. played nobody but did just come off a home and home with Texas, will play a home and home with USC starting next year and I believe I heard they were going to do a home and home with Miami after that. So they have shown a willingness to play tough OOC teams.

Not sure who the big teams that the Big East played OOC to put themselves against a measuring stick. S. Florida played Auburn thats about it.

I think the Big 11 consistantly schedules ND for the financial draw and because they are constantly putting pressure on ND to join the Big 11 to make it the Big 12 II.

My problem with the Big 11 is every year they get the benefit of the doubt because they used to be a very significant conference. Somehow they get away with the appearance of legitimacy while not playing a tough schedule and not having a conference championship. Without fail, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State will all be in the top 20 next year because they are "traditional" powerhouses.

Besides, the slow lumbering style of play that the Big 11 loves is boring and ineffective... kinda like the Flames this season.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by moon

Michigan played Oregon and consistently plays ND. Not really their fault that Weis has coached/Willingham recruited ND to the garbage it is this year. I think that is an okay OOC schedule for today's standards.

Um ND have been in the crapper since about 1997. That was before Willingham and Weis coached them. I love how everyone says Willingham recruited poorly but he has had a bunch of NFL high round picks. No one was complaining about his recruiting 2 years ago.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Um ND have been in the crapper since about 1997. That was before Willingham and Weis coached them. I love how everyone says Willingham recruited poorly but he has had a bunch of NFL high round picks. No one was complaining about his recruiting 2 years ago.

They have been good and bad over the past ten years and certainly not the doormat they are this year. The previous two years they went to BCS bowl games.

Willingham did get some great recruits, hell anyone could at Notre Dame, it still has a lot of appeal to many kids. However, the depth, especially on defense and the O-line, that he had from his last two recruiting classes was brutal. Weis doesn't seem to have been to replenish it or deal with it effectively but there is plenty of blame to Willingham for the season that ND is having this year.

[Josh]

Originally Posted by moon

They have been good and bad over the past ten years and certainly not the doormat they are this year. The previous two years they went to BCS bowl games.

You'll be hard pressed to find people who believe that Notre Dame deserved to go to those BCS bowls in the first place.

[Clever_Iggy]

West Virginia and Missouri lose. The BCS is going to be a complete mess. No one is going to be happy with the championship picks.

[transplant99]

OK...so now what?

The BCS has to go is what. Either go to a playoff system or go back to the pre-BCS era. How can anyone argue otherwise that this system is as good as there can be?

What a disaster and finally should be the final impetus to truly get a PO system rolling throughout the NCAA and the bowl committees. From what I understand it is the Rose Bowl group that is most against any sort of change, and if that's the case, screw em. Ignore all invites they put out until they come around. They will change their tune quickly when they get Youngstown State and Central Florida as its game.

For now though? I would like to see OSU and USC, though its going to be OSU and LSU....because of the ridiculous weight given to SEC teams.

Anyone who thinks Hawaii should be therebecause they went undefeated against a bunch of stiffs should give their head a shake. They are getting mauled by a 4-7 Washington team at home in Honolulu as we speak. That is a perfect example of the differences between BCS and mid majors, last years Boise State team aside.

[nfotiu]

I don't think anyone can complain too badly if it is one of the conference champions. LSU/VT/OK/USC. If Kansas or Georgia find their way into the NC game, after not even winning their divisions, it would be a disaster.

It would be pretty cool to play the traditional bcs games and then pick the national championship game from those games. Probably get rid of at least half the controversy anyway.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by transplant99

For now though? I would like to see OSU and USC, though its going to be OSU and LSU....because of the ridiculous weight given to SEC teams.

Any of the LSU-OSU, LSU-USC or USC-OSU would be great football. Although Im biased to a OSU-USC showdown.

Now that all the no-name teams are out, let the big programs who are playing hot, won their conferences and will be big draws play for the big prize.

[Montana Moe]

USC lost to Stanford....at home. Why should they be in the Championship game?

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

USC lost to Stanford....at home. Why should they be in the Championship game?

It's their big knock, for sure. Im just saying that would make for good football. LSU is the favorite to jump to #2 as their 2 losses are by far the most forgiveable.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

USC lost to Stanford....at home. Why should they be in the Championship game?

Because this is not the team that played Stanford and right now they look as good as anyone in the nation. Also their second loss was at one of the most difficult places to play to the second ranked team in the nation, prior to their best player going down.

When you are looking at two loss teams there are going to be question marks about everyone.

VT got smoked by LSU already this year. LSU was very fortunate to get by Florida and Auburn at home and Alabama on the road as well as losing twice to two mediocre teams that are unranked. Georgia couldn't even win its own division let alone its conference. Oklahoma had a bad loss to Colorado and was blown out against Tech. Kansas lost its only tough game of the year and it wasn't all that close. Mizzou just lost, WV just lost and neither team has the pedigree or quality to jump over other two loss teams.

That Stanford loss maybe the worst loss of the bunch and even with their second stringers they should have won. However, they were playing with four back-up O-Linemen, including the third string center, two back-up corners and a QB with a broken finger. Why Carroll left him in is beyond me. You let Sanchez play that second half or even fourth quarter and they win. Also their other loss is by far the "best" loss of any of the teams in contention. I am not saying they should be the team that plays OSU, but they shouldn't be excluded because of the Stanford loss.

I think it should be two of OSU, LSU, USC. I think they have the best teams and the best records/reasons for playing in the game. I would pick USC to win against either but think the most likely game will be LSU-OSU.

[Montana Moe]

Because this is not the team that played Stanford and right now they look as good as anyone in the nation.

LSU...as well as losing twice to two mediocre teams that are unranked.

Admittedly, I am an LSU fan, but I find these two statements a bit contradictory.

Kentucky was #17, not the same team that it was at the end of the season according to the polls.

Right now, USC does look great. I personally would love for them to come on down to the Big Easy and play LSU in the championship game.

LSU played 7 teams in the top 25 this season. 4 of which are still there as of today, (we can also add Arkansas since they entered the Coaches/USA Today poll this week) This includes a drubbing of the ACC champion.

(A little homerism here: LSU is undefeated in regulation play)

USC played 4 top 25 teams this season, 2 of which are still there as of today. One of those four was Nebraska, and people talk about the SEC being overrated?

Ohio State played 4 teams in the top 25 this season. None of which were teams in the top 20 at the time. One team, Wisconsin is in the top 25 today. Pathetic.

Obviously, every team has their faults. I personally cannot believe how undisciplined LSU is, or how poor their red zone defense has been. But I do find it difficult to think of two teams that are better day in and day out.

[Drunk Skunk]

I'm just curious .. is anyone else watching this Washington/Hawai'i game? Washington was leading 21-0 at one point, and now it's 28-28 with 1:55 left, the Warriors on the Huskies' 18 yard line. Colt Brennan has been absolutely amazing tonight, as of right now, he's 40 of 48 for 423 yards and 4 touchdowns.

[SteveToms]

35-28 Hawaii with :44 left

[Montana Moe]

Wow, great pass/catch

Locker is only a Freshman, he's going to be a good one.

Edit: Picked off, bummer.

[Drunk Skunk]

Wow, Hawai'i intercepts the ball with :03 seconds left in the end zone. This was one of the best college football games, and the best single quarterback performances that I have ever seen. It was worth staying up after 2am to finish watching it.

Hawai'i has to have a BCS bowl.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by Drunk Skunk

Wow, Hawai'i intercepts the ball with :03 seconds left in the end zone. This was one of the best college football games, and the best single quarterback performances that I have ever seen. It was worth staying up after 2am to finish watching it.

Hawai'i has to have a BCS bowl.

Agreed, Hawaii does deserve a BCS game this year. Being undefeated in a season when there will be a 2 loss team in the title game cannot be denied.

[SteveToms]

Sugar Bowl from what I read/heard is most likely but you never know with the BCS