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Enoch Root · 11-18-2025, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

lol no

They get evaluated for the result

Hindsight or not. Things may look good to an ordinary person but may not work in term of chemistry, potential, fit etc…

It is a results business, and I wasn't suggesting differently.

But some things are outside the control of the GM, and their evaluation should recognize that. Marner was a good signing for VGS - pretty straight-forward decision process for the GM. Fast forward 2 or 3 years, and Marner becomes an alcoholic, slips out of shape, and is a shadow of his former playing self. Is that bad GMing?

People are so binary, and seem incapable of nuance sometimes.

Reggie Dunlop · 02-02-2026, 02:18 PM

Toronto will miss the playoffs.

TrentCrimmIndependent · 02-02-2026, 02:33 PM

Toronto coming from a deep freeze to balmy calgary.

Who's got the #####y winters now?

calumniate · 02-02-2026, 02:39 PM

Thanks to whoever used the search function properly to find this beauty of a thread

Big Erned Nevergivn · 02-02-2026, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

lol no

They get evaluated for the result

Hindsight or not. Things may look good to an ordinary person but may not work in term of chemistry, potential, fit etc…

IMO you have to do both. Both of these things can be true:

1. Tre made the best out of a terrible situation (Gaudreau not re-signing, and then Tkachuk saying he would not re-sign) - in a situation with no leverage, turning Tkachuk into 115 point winger, a 2-3 veteran defensemen, a conditional first, and a B prospect, was a huge win at the time considering the circumstances.

2. GM's are graded on results, and it turns out the 115 point winger fell off a cliff and is actually a 40-60 point winger with a boat anchor contract. And this (among some other moves) turned a team that should have competed for the playoffs every year, into a lottery team.

Also worth noting that even though number 1 was considered a win from the majority of this forum & hockey pundits, Tre also architected that mess to begin with by not signing or trading both Gaudreau and Tkachuk before he lost his leverage.

Knut · 02-02-2026, 02:59 PM

Hoping they end up 6th last after the lottery and have to give up their first this year.

Boston just needs its once a decade fleecing of the Leafs to stay competitive.

The Cobra · 02-02-2026, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by troutman

So what? He is supposed to be the expert, not us fans.

So, should every poster have at the end a statement that says: "Warning, I am not an expect, so I really don't know anything, so cannot be critizied for ever being wrong"?

Erick Estrada · 02-02-2026, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Knut

Hoping they end up 6th last after the lottery and have to give up their first this year.

Boston just needs its once a decade fleecing of the Leafs to stay competitive.

You would think they would have learned that trades with the Bruins involving 1st round picks are a bad idea. Something about middle pairing defensemen that gets Treliving all weak-kneed.

Karl · 03-07-2026, 07:50 PM

Get golfing Leafs. You're so no good.

OldSam · 03-07-2026, 07:52 PM

Matthews is so checked out.

McG · 03-07-2026, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by calumniate

Thanks to whoever used the search function properly to find this beauty of a thread

All of the no good threads are actually really good!

ForeverFlameFan · 03-07-2026, 08:15 PM

I think the Leafs need to fire Treliving, trade Matthews, and start anew.

Perhaps they can do a Matthews/Misa deal with San Jose. Toronto is just atrocious.

Karl · 03-10-2026, 07:56 PM

The suck continues....

Still one more reasonable day to sneak in some golf (albeit rainy) before the weather turns cold again for a while.

Karl · 03-10-2026, 08:02 PM

No good, Leafs. No good....

dino7c · 03-10-2026, 08:04 PM

Marner was the glue

musth · 03-10-2026, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Marner was the glue

Glue guys are crucial. Especially ones that can score

The Cobra · 03-11-2026, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I think the Leafs need to fire Treliving, trade Matthews, and start anew.

Perhaps they can do a Matthews/Misa deal with San Jose. Toronto is just atrocious.

I wouldn't consider that if I was SJ. Two years of Matthews until he is a UFA, so you cannot negotiate an extension, even if you wanted to. Misa is looking good, so why trade many years of him for a player that will start declining, which may have actually started.

Talk about a potential failed jump start to the rebuild.

And SJ needs dmen, not another scorer.

Erick Estrada · 03-11-2026, 06:20 AM

I'm sure if they retain Marner that they are probably a 100+ point team this season but I don't think that core 4 was ever going to win the cup so maybe this just accelerates the rebuild. I think they have to consider moving Matthews as their long term outlook is pretty bleak.

IMO it all went wrong for the Leafs when they signed Tavares which was more of a luxury signing. They would have been much better off trying to acquire a legit top pairing defenseman as Reilly was never good enough on his own. To win a Stanley Cup your core 4 better include a defenseman and for the Leafs it was all about the forwards and it just never worked out.

bluejays · 03-11-2026, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm sure if they retain Marner that they are probably a 100+ point team this season but I don't think that core 4 was ever going to win the cup so maybe this just accelerates the rebuild. I think they have to consider moving Matthews as their long term outlook is pretty bleak.

IMO it all went wrong for the Leafs when they signed Tavares which was more of a luxury signing. They would have been much better off trying to acquire a legit top pairing defenseman as Reilly was never good enough on his own. To win a Stanley Cup your core 4 better include a defenseman and for the Leafs it was all about the forwards and it just never worked out.

I disagree with a few points and agree with others. IMO, their homogeneity in style was the downfall of the Leafs. To me it's pretty obvious that Marner, Matthews and to some degree Nylander, all play an outside game. There is no attempt to go through other players to make the tough physical play. Even in the playoffs, those guys refuse to grind it out and go into the slot to get punished to attempt to get a goal. They're all outside guys. The worst is not changing their game in the playoffs. I personally think Matthews is a subpar leader, if not bad. He actually gets a free pass in the media despite not stepping up and playing hard when his team needs him to be the captain. Ignore the Olympics for all these guys because it's a different game of best playing with the best. This combination of Matthews/Marner/Nylander have the same outside style (moreso the first two).

I disagree with you on Tavares. He may be the one player that despite his older age, goes into the slot and gets those dirty goals. He really is that team player who shuts up and does whatever is needed where the younger guys don't do it. He skates up the middle and gets hard goals. He may not have the speed, but he's willing to do what other guys don't, and he's never been appreciated.

Reilly was good for a minute but never was that #1 guy they thought he'd be. They gave him too much leeway on his contract when he didn't deserve it. Knowing Treliving's style you know he'd rather build from the defence out if given a chance.

Vinny01 · 03-11-2026, 08:18 AM

Dream scenario.

Flames win the draft lottery and complete Mission McKenna.

The Leafs are successful in tanking into the bottom 5 with a shameless final quarter of the season. The Golden Knights continue their rough year and slide out of the playoffs. The Knights win the second lottery jumping from 15 to 5th overall giving the Flames 2 top 5 picks and the Leafs getting bumped out of the top 5 giving their 6th pick to the Bruins.