Toronto is no good

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

lol no

They get evaluated for the result

Hindsight or not. Things may look good to an ordinary person but may not work in term of chemistry, potential, fit etc…

It is a results business, and I wasn't suggesting differently.

But some things are outside the control of the GM, and their evaluation should recognize that. Marner was a good signing for VGS - pretty straight-forward decision process for the GM. Fast forward 2 or 3 years, and Marner becomes an alcoholic, slips out of shape, and is a shadow of his former playing self. Is that bad GMing?

People are so binary, and seem incapable of nuance sometimes.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Toronto will miss the playoffs.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Toronto coming from a deep freeze to balmy calgary.

Who's got the #####y winters now?

[calumniate]

Thanks to whoever used the search function properly to find this beauty of a thread

[Big Erned Nevergivn]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

lol no

They get evaluated for the result

Hindsight or not. Things may look good to an ordinary person but may not work in term of chemistry, potential, fit etc…

IMO you have to do both. Both of these things can be true:

1. Tre made the best out of a terrible situation (Gaudreau not re-signing, and then Tkachuk saying he would not re-sign) - in a situation with no leverage, turning Tkachuk into 115 point winger, a 2-3 veteran defensemen, a conditional first, and a B prospect, was a huge win at the time considering the circumstances.

2. GM's are graded on results, and it turns out the 115 point winger fell off a cliff and is actually a 40-60 point winger with a boat anchor contract. And this (among some other moves) turned a team that should have competed for the playoffs every year, into a lottery team.

Also worth noting that even though number 1 was considered a win from the majority of this forum & hockey pundits, Tre also architected that mess to begin with by not signing or trading both Gaudreau and Tkachuk before he lost his leverage.

[Knut]

Hoping they end up 6th last after the lottery and have to give up their first this year.

Boston just needs its once a decade fleecing of the Leafs to stay competitive.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by troutman

So what? He is supposed to be the expert, not us fans.

So, should every poster have at the end a statement that says: "Warning, I am not an expect, so I really don't know anything, so cannot be critizied for ever being wrong"?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Knut

Hoping they end up 6th last after the lottery and have to give up their first this year.

Boston just needs its once a decade fleecing of the Leafs to stay competitive.

You would think they would have learned that trades with the Bruins involving 1st round picks are a bad idea. Something about middle pairing defensemen that gets Treliving all weak-kneed.