[Trade] Weegar to Utah for Maatta, Castagna, 3 x 2026 2nd rounders

[icarus]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Well Niewendyk was 27 overall. So these days that's a first in the last quarter of the draft.



Who knows what comes of this, but one of these will be within the first 6 picks of the round, and all could be in the top 50 picks. If they can get one player who plays 200 games as a Flame that's a bit better than break even.

Are you telling me that one of the 2nds was essentially a 1st?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Sure, but I don’t think any GM is taking Weegar over Anderson or Hanifin.

I think the season you referenced is not who Weegar actually is, and neither is this season. He’s something in between. He ideally fits on your second pair on a contending team, but good enough flex up to 1b and not hurt you on a decent team.

His 20 goal season was a massive outlier. He has never eclipsed 8 in his career otherwise

He is a 5-8 goal scoring 40ish point D who is above average (historically) defensively who is 32 now and has 5!!!! More years on his contract

The chances he is a top 4 D in his age 35-36-37 seasons is almost zero -
And that’s when the Flames will want to compete and have cap flexibility

Who cares if he bounces back a bit next year - do we really think the market for a 33 year old D with 4 years left is improving that much even with a bounce back year ? Maybe you get a late first instead of the Rangers 2nd?

It’s always better to be too early then too late when moving aging assets

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Overall that feels okay, maybe a little underwhelming...lacks quality but they got a lot of quantity back.

That's a short sighted way of looking at it, imo. The players they traded away are aging players, and they made room for young players that have upside. The Flames wouldn't be contending over the next number of years even if they had held on to those aging players. And you can't force teams to trade you their 1st rounders or blue chip prospects if they aren't interested in doing so.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Not sure why we couldn’t get the Parayko return when all we had to do was turn Weegar into Parayko and convince Buffalo to offer the same thing for Parayko they offered St. louis for Parayko.

Really bad work Craig. B-

Look at their resumés.

Parayko has played in 80% more playoff games and has a ring + all his international experience.

Weegar was traded and then his team won two cups. And he’s having an awful year.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It is interesting to look back at the entire dismantling of the d-core from the start 2024 season now.

Tanev
Weegar
Andersson
Hanifin
Zadorov

For

2026 1st (VGK)
2027 1st (VGK)

2028 2nd (VGK - Could become a 1st)
2024 2nd (DAL)
2026 2nd (NYR)
2026 2nd (OTT)
2026 2nd (UTA)

2024 3rd (VGK)
2026 3rd (VAN)

2024 5th (CGY)

Whitecloud
Maatta
Miromanov
Grushnikov
Wiebe
Castagna

Overall that feels okay, maybe a little underwhelming...lacks quality but they got a lot of quantity back.

Really does feel like they should have been able to get another 1st back overall, from either the Weegar or Tanev trade.

The draft is essentially random with a heavy bias for success in the first three picks. So having lots of chances is a great way to counteract the randomness.

The older players traded here are deliberately picked to be supplanted by younger players. They're just fillers for the most part.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It is interesting to look back at the entire dismantling of the d-core from the start 2024 season now.

Tanev
Weegar
Andersson
Hanifin
Zadorov

For

2026 1st (VGK)
2027 1st (VGK)
2028 2nd (VGK - Could become a 1st)
2024 2nd (DAL)
2026 2nd (NYR)
2026 2nd (OTT)
2026 2nd (UTA)
2024 3rd (VGK)
2026 3rd (VAN)
2024 5th (CGY)
Whitecloud
Maatta
Miromanov
Grushnikov
Wiebe
Castagna

Overall that feels okay, maybe a little underwhelming...lacks quality but they got a lot of quantity back.

Really does feel like they should have been able to get another 1st back overall, from either the Weegar or Tanev trade.

Feels like they did better than they should have on the Andersson trade, maybe a little worse on the Weegar trade but kind of evens out.

The Tanev deal is probably the most underwhelming in terms of value. I always thought teams should be willing to pay more for him but perhaps injury concerns mitigated the return.

I would rank the deals as follows in terms of relative value

1. Andersson
2. Weegar
3. Zadorov
4. Hanifin
5. Tanev.

[topfiverecords]

Flames sure are gonna make a Ruckus in this draft.

[Spurly]

How do we know that Conroy, is not going to add one of these pics, to Coleman, or Kadri, for an even better return. Conroy, is not a fool. He has a plan that we need to let him implement.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The Tanev deal is probably the most underwhelming in terms of value. I always thought teams should be willing to pay more for him but perhaps injury concerns mitigated the return.

I would rank the deals as follows in terms of relative value

1. Andersson
2. Weegar
3. Zadorov
4. Hanifin
5. Tanev.

I think injury concerns were absolutely what killed a better Tanev return. To me the kick in the back was Hannifin.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Home run is way too strong.

For me the rumoured Parayko return is a home run.

If Parayko gets Mrkta + 1st then this feels light to me, the divide between the two isn't that big.

Even the Carlo trade from last year. 1st + Minten + 4th feels somewhat close to this return and Weegar is way better than Carlo.

I would love to know what San Jose or Detroit would have offered. Because this seems like a strong return if your think Weegar won't bounce back and you're just trying to shed the contract.

But light for a guy who could is a top 30 dman producer at 5v5 the last 3 seasons.

Just because posters feel Parayko and Weegar are comparable doesn’t mean that other teams feel that way.

The Sabres could have also made the offer of Mrtka + 1st to the Flames if they wanted to but it seems that they didn’t.

Parayko is very highly rated around the league. He’s a giant of a man. Stanley Cup Champion & Team Canada Olympian.

[robertsfanatic]

Hate losing Weegar but love the trade...also frees up even more money for the Makar signing.

[GirlySports]

Can we have a jersey with Määttä? That would be cool.

[traptor]

Values okay not great.


Feels like 3 quarters, a dime and a nickle when id much rather have a looney.


With that said, the biggest piece we received in this trade is the direction it sends us further towards and im proud of the org for making the tough call.


Common Gavin McKenna! Nothing is stopping this tank train.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Just because posters feel Parayko and Weegar are comparable doesn’t mean that other teams feel that way.

The Sabres could have also made the offer of Mrtka + 1st to the Flames if they wanted to but it seems that they didn’t.

Parayko is very highly rated around the league. He’s a giant of a man. Stanley a Cup Champion & Team Canada Olympian.

That's fair.

Parayko has the size teams want for playoffs, and the playoff experience, and that drives his value up but I still feel like this is selling a little low on Weegar.

Did you hear of any other teams being interested in Weegar and what the other offers might have been?

My worry I think is it happened so quick that it doesn't feel like Weegar was fully shopped around.

[The Original FFIV]

I hope we accumulate more 2nd rounders in the kadri and Coleman deals.

How many 2nds must we accumulate in order for them to be the equivalent of the first overall pick?

[Shazam]

According to the radio the deal happened super fast, initiated by Utah.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

I hope we accumulate more 2nd rounders in the kadri and Coleman deals.

How many 2nds must we accumulate in order for them to be the equivalent of the first overall pick?

What if we get all of them?

[Braden]

It'll be kinda fun cheering for Weegar and Iginla, not a team I'll dislike untill I have to

Add it to the Tkachuk trade tree

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

I hope we accumulate more 2nd rounders in the kadri and Coleman deals.

How many 2nds must we accumulate in order for them to be the equivalent of the first overall pick?

According to pick value charts you'd need pick 33 through 45 to have the equivalent value to the first overall pick.

[dino7c]

Maatta was actually decent at the Olympics