Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Alpha_Q]

There's a clot of these traitors set up by the Heritage Meadows Costco. Gloss white SUV and a new-looking, giant, black truck; dentures on all of them; most definitely from out in the sticks, and all living a lifestyle that people in other places, even in North America, can only dream.

I think the youngest was probably in her 60s, and when I reminded them that by the time any separation weaves it's way through the courts, they'd all probably be dead, so why bother, they seemed somewhat taken aback.

I'd trade any 1 immigrant for any 4 of them, and if they have any pride whatsoever, when their referendum fails, they'll pack up and GTFO of my province and my country.

In the time I interacted with them they garnered zero signatures, but did earn a couple people giving them the finger.

[aaronck]

Originally Posted by Parallex

That's a stupid number to claim. Let's assume Canadian pollsters know what they're doing (and I think that they do), if so then then this is roughly a 70-30 issue when including leaners. By my rough estimate that means that they would need to get almost literally every eligible citizen who supports the idea behind their petition to actually sign it (including undedicated leaners). Not going to happen... I don't think even those chuckle####s are dumb enough to think they'll get a million, they just say things like that to put out a fraudulent sense of social acceptability.

If they have a conversion rate (nominal supporters to signers) similar to Forever Canadian they'll get roughly 122K. Now... do I think they could get a higher conversion rate then Forever Canadian got? Possibly. Breadth of opinion isn't the same as depth of opinion and these idiots are probably pretty well funded (plus they don't seem like overly ethical folk so I'm inclined to believe that if they're remotely close then they'll just submit a bunch of fake names) so I think they'll get pretty close to the required number of signors.

Their trucker brethren claimed a million truckers were headed to Ottawa- they are not great with numbers...

[MBates]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Until a direct conduit from Rath and the other traitorous morons to people in power in Alberta is proven out, then we can't really take the meetings seriously or punish them.
Private citizens are allowed to meet with whomever. It might be entirely stupid, and really dumb, but we can't strip their rights away for being idiots, even if what they are talking about might be some form of treason.

It doesnt matter what they say to Trump, they have no power to act on it.

The link back to party leadership in the province is actually really important here.

This is a completely false narrative that separatist buffoons seem to not only think is true but appear to somehow be convincing others because they are steering clear of the specific definition of treason in the Criminal Code.

There is for some reason very little talk about sedition which is much closer to being on point.

Nobody is allowed to meet with and teach, advocate, publish or circulate any writing about "the use, without the authority of law, of force as a means of accomplishing a governmental change within Canada."

That is sedition.

So even the discussion of the US recognizing and 'supporting' an independent Alberta by way of a unilateral declaration of independence (the stated plan for the separatists to use because they have already pre-decided that anything less than getting absolutely everything they want from the rest of Canada no matter how absurd will be proof of Canada's refusal to negotiate in good faith) is perilously close to committing a serious indictable criminal offence punishable by up to 14 years.

I am not saying they have yet or are going to be committing sedition, but in no way do they have "rights" to say whatever they want to a foreign government in relation to the proposed breakup of Canada. In fact if they were representatives of a democratically elected separatist government that would give them much wider legal authority for discussions.

That they are private citizens spreading falsehoods about their fever dreams (like falsely likening the substance and effect of their petition to a declaration of independence) and acting as though they speak for "the people" of Alberta puts them at much greater risk of crossing into criminal conduct.

In my opinion, refusing to say who they are meeting with, claiming to be meeting in a SCIF and expecting people to just accept whatever they claim was the topic of conversation should be resulting in Canadian national security authorities making use of all lawful means to monitor what is actually happening in those meetings.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/...46/page-7.html

[Knut]

Originally Posted by troutman

I will be canvasser for Corb’s Water Not Coal petition. Northback is in for a big surprise on how many in the Pass will sign.

Do you know where I can sign in CAlgary ?

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by MBates

This is a completely false narrative that separatist buffoons seem to not only think is true but appear to somehow be convincing others because they are steering clear of the specific definition of treason in the Criminal Code.

There is for some reason very little talk about sedition which is much closer to being on point.

Nobody is allowed to meet with and teach, advocate, publish or circulate any writing about "the use, without the authority of law, of force as a means of accomplishing a governmental change within Canada."

That is sedition.

So even the discussion of the US recognizing and 'supporting' an independent Alberta by way of a unilateral declaration of independence (the stated plan for the separatists to use because they have already pre-decided that anything less than getting absolutely everything they want from the rest of Canada no matter how absurd will be proof of Canada's refusal to negotiate in good faith) is perilously close to committing a serious indictable criminal offence punishable by up to 14 years.

I am not saying they have yet or are going to be committing sedition, but in no way do they have "rights" to say whatever they want to a foreign government in relation to the proposed breakup of Canada. In fact if they were representatives of a democratically elected separatist government that would give them much wider legal authority for discussions.

That they are private citizens spreading falsehoods about their fever dreams (like falsely likening the substance and effect of their petition to a declaration of independence) and acting as though they speak for "the people" of Alberta puts them at much greater risk of crossing into criminal conduct.

In my opinion, refusing to say who they are meeting with, claiming to be meeting in a SCIF and expecting people to just accept whatever they claim was the topic of conversation should be resulting in Canadian national security authorities making use of all lawful means to monitor what is actually happening in those meetings.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/...46/page-7.html

With the state of Alberta (and the world) I am not sure I could fully convey how happy it would make me to see the news that the traitors are being arrested for their actions.

It would be a lot of joy. Maybe even a bottle of bubbly.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tru...als-rcna258230

Why the #### are these seditious mother####ers permitted to return to Canada? Our biggest failure as a country is that we are so goddamned soft and permit this ####.


Deceitful ####s.

I'm going to quote the guest on a new podcast I was listening to.
I quote the guest, because I am not saying in a public place that it's my opinion....

I might have it a bit wrong but the gist of what he said
[quote]
I don't generally believe in capital punishment, expect in the case of sedition. The fact that these people tried to take my vote, my voice away from me, and basically got off with nothing, the fact that they weren't stopped in the moment with force[quote]

https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcas...=1000749341191

Spoiler!

that said baring war, or violence or some form of direct action against the state by them or the foreign entity they met with, I am not sure this meets the strict definition of sedition, for this we just need a real leader to tell these guys to shut up.

[malcolmk14]

Originally Posted by Wolven

With the state of Alberta (and the world) I am not sure I could fully convey how happy it would make me to see the news that the traitors are being arrested for their actions.

It would be a lot of joy. Maybe even a bottle of bubbly.

I'd join you in that bubbly!

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Knut

Do you know where I can sign in CAlgary ?

https://www.waternotcoal.ca/#sign

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Alpha_Q

There's a clot of these traitors set up by the Heritage Meadows Costco. Gloss white SUV and a new-looking, giant, black truck; dentures on all of them; most definitely from out in the sticks, and all living a lifestyle that people in other places, even in North America, can only dream.

I think the youngest was probably in her 60s, and when I reminded them that by the time any separation weaves it's way through the courts, they'd all probably be dead, so why bother, they seemed somewhat taken aback.

I'd trade any 1 immigrant for any 4 of them, and if they have any pride whatsoever, when their referendum fails, they'll pack up and GTFO of my province and my country.

In the time I interacted with them they garnered zero signatures, but did earn a couple people giving them the finger.

I had to drive down to Okotoks yesterday, these yahoos were set up at the rest areas on the highway.

Ironically, these idiots are becoming more annoying than vegans these days.

[IliketoPuck]

They were setup (the irony is not lost on me) in the parking lot of a Real Canadian Superstore by my house.

I was filling up at the time, and didn't see a single person stop by (and it was busy) over a ten minute time frame.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

They were setup (the irony is not lost on me) in the parking lot of a Real Canadian Superstore by my house.

I was filling up at the time, and didn't see a single person stop by (and it was busy) over a ten minute time frame.

They seem to insist that they are going to get 1 million signatures. Every one of them seems to have a pod cast on youtube. We can't lose site of this though, they are a minority for sure, but large enough to possibly be dangerous if we get complacent.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

They seem to insist that they are going to get 1 million signatures. Every one of them seems to have a pod cast on youtube. We can't lose site of this though, they are a minority for sure, but large enough to possibly be dangerous if we get complacent.

Or selling merch...

[puffnstuff]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2919359.html

In three secret meetings with officials from the U.S. State and Treasury departments, the group has discussed the mechanics of Alberta breaking with Canada, including plans to switch to U.S. currency and even to create a new military force.
"For those of us who are very much in support of Alberta becoming a sovereign country, it’s heartening to us at each of the three meetings that we’ve had with the U.S. administration to be informed that the entire U.S. administration is supportive of Alberta becoming a sovereign country,” Dennis Modry, a co-founder of the Alberta Prosperity Project


This doesnt seem like a very independent Alberta like they say they want.