Poll: How satisfied are you with the Flames' re-build so far?

[Ziggy Lidstrom]

I gave it a sterling ten. We are finally not equivocating rebuild/retool/rebiggle.

There is clear organizational direction towards demolition and I couldn’t be happier.

Our quest is to find 4-5 elite players and build around them. So far we have wolf * ( if he can get his groove back with a better squad while keeping his confidence with this squad) and we have a parekh who could be a eite offensive dman.


This team is finally ready to start surfacing at the top of the draft for a few years and there are no worries of it being expedited.

It would have been nice to start this earlier when celebrini was up for grabs but hey here we are and I’m here for it. I’m ready to keep supporting during the lean times.


Our path to being a contender, although arduous, is more clear now than it has been in some time.


A few more trades and a few more smart moves situated us even better. GFG

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Many of think they did!

June 23, 2023 for me.

If I used that date as the start of the rebuild I would change my score from a 6 to a 4. I do not think the org realistically planned a rebuild until it was clear they were not going to be able to get Lindholm and Hanifin signed in the midst of a terrible start to that season.

In June 2023 they were fully planning on a new coach and a bounce back from Huberdeau to carry them forward to contention.

[Inferno]

I agree that it didn't start with the Toffoli trade. Had he not got butthurt about not being top priority and asked to be traded he probably gets traded mid-season like everyone else.

They went into that season hoping the previous year was just a bad season but when it became clear it wasn't Conroy knew what needed to be done.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Many of think they did!

June 23, 2023 for me.

The rebuild started July 2022 The month that JG walked and Tkachuk asked for a trade, or atleast the current trajectory of the team.

The Flames didn't start acting on this reality until Jan 2024.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If I used that date as the start of the rebuild I would change my score from a 6 to a 4. I do not think the org realistically planned a rebuild until it was clear they were not going to be able to get Lindholm and Hanifin signed in the midst of a terrible start to that season.

In June 2023 they were fully planning on a new coach and a bounce back from Huberdeau to carry them forward to contention.

Yeah I get that.

But I think they sign Toffoli and bring the whole group back if they were that optimistic.

I think that was the turning point for at least one (some) in the management group.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Inferno

I agree that it didn't start with the Toffoli trade. Had he not got butthurt about not being top priority and asked to be traded he probably gets traded mid-season like everyone else.

They went into that season hoping the previous year was just a bad season but when it became clear it wasn't Conroy knew what needed to be done.

Conservatively I would say it started when the traded Markstrom to opt for an unproven tandem. If I am being generous it started with the Lindholm trade January 2024.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Updated average score: 6.57.
73% of responses are clustered between 6 and 8 meaning people are neutral-positive to somewhat satisfied in general with the rebuild so far.

Also shows that there is more consensus on CP than sometimes the day to day arguments would suggest. You've got less than 7% voting on the extremes (1, 2, 9 or 10).

The 7% are putting Bingo's kids through college.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah I get that.

But I think they sign Toffoli and bring the whole group back if they were that optimistic.

I think that was the turning point for at least one (some) in the management group.

Markstrom trade for me was the starting point. It was the definitive signal that weren't just selling UFAs

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Conservatively I would say it started when the traded Markstrom to opt for an unproven tandem. If I am being generous it started when the Traded Lindholm January 2024.

The Markstrom trade showed he wasn't going to just trade pending UFAs but it started earlier than that for me. Markstrom was already being shopped around when everyone else was being traded. It just didn't finally get done until the summer.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah I get that.

But I think they sign Toffoli and bring the whole group back if they were that optimistic.

I think that was the turning point for at least one (some) in the management group.

With Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar and possibly Lindholm and Hanifin getting huge deals there were only so many long term contracts for 30+ year old players they could hand out. If they were serious about a rebuild at that time I think they would have targeted a higher pick or prospect rather than the 24 year old NHLer and a 3rd rounder. That deal also gave the Flames the breathing room they needed under the cap.


I think it is very fair to say the major pivot point was when the team/player walked back the Hanifin extension that Friedman reported was basically done. I believe it was reported both the team and player pressed pause on that deal after the team got off to the terrible start.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If I used that date as the start of the rebuild I would change my score from a 6 to a 4. I do not think the org realistically planned a rebuild until it was clear they were not going to be able to get Lindholm and Hanifin signed in the midst of a terrible start to that season.

In June 2023 they were fully planning on a new coach and a bounce back from Huberdeau to carry them forward to contention.

Nothing stopped the Flames from re-signing Toffoli, Zadorov, or Lindholm, outside their lack of desire to. Reputable reports suggest the Flames hadn’t negotiated with Lindholm since the summer of 2023.

And teams that want to contend don’t just forget to negotiate with their leading scorer and then jettison him for a guy stuck in the bottom six and a 3rd.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

With Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar and possibly Lindholm and Hanifin getting huge deals there were only so many long term contracts for 30+ year old players they could hand out. If they were serious about a rebuild at that time I think they would have targeted a higher pick or prospect rather than the 24 year old NHLer and a 3rd rounder. That deal also gave the Flames the breathing room they needed under the cap.


I think it is very fair to say the major pivot point was when the team/player walked back the Hanifin extension that Friedman reported was basically done. I believe it was reported both the team and player pressed pause on that deal after the team got off to the terrible start.

But also reports that they were slow playing Lindholm well before then, and closer to the Toffoli decision.

[activeStick]

I was at 7 or 8, ended up going with 8 because I honestly can't find too many things that Conroy has done that I think have been outrageously bad.

For me, Conroy:

- started the rebuild when he traded Toffoli instead of giving him a new contract, so in the summer of 2023 after getting a look at the new Flames for a full season without Johnny and Chucky.
- let Sutter go when he clearly wasn't a fit in the culture that Conroy is building
- all moves since then have been for youth and picks and I don't think he's lost any trade, honestly, while fleecing two in the Lindholm and Markstrom trades. I think he could have gotten more for Hanifin but he was forced into that scenario with the M-NTC/extension stuff.
- the bad thing under Conroy so far for me have been allowing himself into the same situation as Hanifin with Andersson - I'm guessing he'll adjust. I honestly can't find much more to complain about.

[Toonage]

^ Conroy didn't let Sutter go did he? I believe Maloney made the call, held the presser but I could be wrong.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by Toonage

^ Conroy didn't let Sutter go did he? I believe Maloney made the call, held the presser but I could be wrong.

This is my recollection as well. Canning Sutter was Maloney's first (public) act as acting GM. The second was promoting Conroy.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bingo

But also reports that they were slow playing Lindholm well before then, and closer to the Toffoli decision.

I have direct knowledge from someone who heard John Bean the Flames offered Lindholm $8.3x8 he responded with something around $9.3M. The flames countered with $8.6M and Lindholm responded with $9.3M there was no want to negotiate with the Lindholm camp which is probably another reason they paused negotiations.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I have direct knowledge from someone who heard John Bean the Flames offered Lindholm $8.3x8 he responded with something around $9.3M. The flames countered with $8.6M and Lindholm responded with $9.3M there was no want to negotiate with the Lindholm camp which is probably another reason they paused negotiations.

LOL, I hope Lindholm is happy with his agent.

[SemicolonD]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I have direct knowledge from someone who heard John Bean the Flames offered Lindholm $8.3x8 he responded with something around $9.3M. The flames countered with $8.6M and Lindholm responded with $9.3M there was no want to negotiate with the Lindholm camp which is probably another reason they paused negotiations.

That would've been crippling, dare I say worse than Huberdeau?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SemicolonD

That would've been crippling, dare I say worse than Huberdeau?

Lindholm is on pace for 70pts with the Bruins who are on pace for a 99pt season and return to the playoffs. No guarantees he would do that here but he is currently much better than Huberdeau

[SemicolonD]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Lindholm is on pace for 70pts with the Bruins who are on pace for a 99pt season and return to the playoffs. No guarantees he would do that here but he is currently much better than Huberdeau

I feel like that would be a lot worse on this team though. Guy wasn't exactly a motivational leader, neither is Huberdeau, he'd probably be similarly invisible if he was still here and on cruise control.

The fact the Flames woulda had 2 boat anchors instead of 1 is crazy.