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Old 01-27-2026, 11:02 AM   #26181
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They for sure came into this year thinking they would contend for a playoff spot, and the plan would have never been to move Kadri and Coleman coming into the season.

They weren't jeopardizing the future to try to make the playoffs this year, but the organization thought the roster and young players could build on last season for sure.
Not for sure at all.

You can think that.

I think both years they came in expecting to be poor, but wanted to run it back out of respect to the veteran core.
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Old 01-27-2026, 11:03 AM   #26182
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The way Kadri is giving up and his age, the window to trade him is small IMO
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The question is, would people rather move Kadri NOW for a lesser return than say next year or the year after barring he keeps the same level of play?

He plays a position we're very weak in but could very well regress further the longer he plays.
To use a football term, take the points.

Move him now, while he's healthy. He may be fine for the rest of his deal, could hurt himself, who knows. But you know what you have now, and he's not in the plans long term.
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The question is, would people rather move Kadri NOW for a lesser return than say next year or the year after barring he keeps the same level of play?

He plays a position we're very weak in but could very well regress further the longer he plays.

Coleman I'm less worried about, I think there's enough interest and likely offers too good to pass up on the horizon here, so they'll have every chance to move him if they want. I see no reason to hold on to him now given their recent play.
The issue is that Kadri is hard to move period. He makes a pretty big AAV, he doesn't want to go certain places, he really only fits in a top 6 role (top 9 on a really good team like the Avs). Teams like the Avs know this and are making stink bids apparently.

It's not good practice for Conroy to accept bad bids, especially on a non-expiring asset. He's played this game already with Markstrom and that ended up just fine. People set their hair on fire because he didn't trade him at the deadline, then he traded him offseason for a great return.
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Old 01-27-2026, 11:05 AM   #26185
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They for sure came into this year thinking they would contend for a playoff spot, and the plan would have never been to move Kadri and Coleman coming into the season.

They weren't jeopardizing the future to try to make the playoffs this year, but the organization thought the roster and young players could build on last season for sure.
I just don't see it that way. They even were willing to take the risk to erode the goaltending position by not properly replacing Vladar. Cooley has exceeded expectations, but they didn't have confidence in him heading into this season, and their only other move was to bring in an unproven dude from the KHL.

That doesn't seem like a team trying to seriously make the playoffs.

I think they were surprised about how poor the start was. But I just don't see a team that made any decisions to try and help their chances.
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Not for sure at all.

You can think that.

I think both years they came in expecting to be poor, but wanted to run it back out of respect to the veteran core.
I think they expected to be bad last year for sure.

This year I have heard from pretty good sources that ownership and management expected them to compete for a playoff spot.

That was the internal and external messaging all offseason.

And they were genuinely surprised and frustrated by the poor start.

Not sure why we have to act like they weren't hoping to make the playoffs when that's what they said all offseason and to start the year.

They weren't willing to make short term signings or trades to help make the playoffs. But they thought they could repeat last seasons performance and that it'd be enough to make it this season.
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To you maybe.

I don't see murky.
I see a clear direction.

Both Kadri and Coleman will be traded to match the direction they are in.

May not be this year, but my gut says at least one of them will be.
Well, considering the responses on here and arguing back and forth, I don't think there is a clear direction. Otherwise, the large majority would agree it is a rebuild.
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The question is, would people rather move Kadri NOW for a lesser return than say next year or the year after barring he keeps the same level of play?

He plays a position we're very weak in but could very well regress further the longer he plays.

Coleman I'm less worried about, I think there's enough interest and likely offers too good to pass up on the horizon here, so they'll have every chance to move him if they want. I see no reason to hold on to him now given their recent play.
When the Flames trade Kadri, we will be so unredeemably bad. He pulls the toughest assignments on the team.
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Old 01-27-2026, 11:07 AM   #26189
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They for sure came into this year thinking they would contend for a playoff spot, and the plan would have never been to move Kadri and Coleman coming into the season.

They weren't jeopardizing the future to try to make the playoffs this year, but the organization thought the roster and young players could build on last season for sure.
You have no way to know this, and if they did think that way, why did they head into the season with such a poor team, when they could have picked up some veteran help? Why did they go with an untested backup goalie who'd been poor in camp?
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Well, considering the responses on here and arguing back and forth, I don't think there is a clear direction. Otherwise, the large majority would agree it is a rebuild.
I think that's the thing. There is a large majority vs a vocal minority. I'd love a poll to prove me wrong.
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Well, considering the responses on here and arguing back and forth, I don't think there is a clear direction. Otherwise, the large majority would agree it is a rebuild.
The large majority does think this.
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Well, considering the responses on here and arguing back and forth, I don't think there is a clear direction. Otherwise, the large majority would agree it is a rebuild.
Let's find out. Poll started.
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Well, considering the responses on here and arguing back and forth, I don't think there is a clear direction. Otherwise, the large majority would agree it is a rebuild.
I think the majority does think that...
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Let's find out. Poll started.
Well, maybe I was wrong.

I would vote maybe though, not no.
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Old 01-27-2026, 11:13 AM   #26195
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@Bingo

I think the frustration you’re seeing with the team is them NOT acknowledging when the opportunities are to kick off a rebiggle. The team really lets the players force their hands and assumes way more control than most teams. Frankly, when they ####ed up the Gaudreau situation, which then forces the Tkachuk trade, they should have recognized the rebiggle was on and leaned into it then. But your boy, The Wizard (tm), didn’t want to admit a rebiggle was necessary and instead went the Huberdeau/Kadri route. Since then the Flames have allowed veterans to force their hands and get some middling returns. The one time Conroy maintained control and moved the player whe he wanted to, without reservations, he got a haul. I’m pretty sure that is all the fans want to see, the team taking control and making deals that help long term, getting g quality draft picks and good prospects like Brzustewicz, instead of crap like draft picks years out and players like Miromanov. You can talk all you want about draft capital and such, but there needs to be some semblance of a plan to give the fans confidence the team is headed in the right direction. To me, all arguments come from the lack of understandable direction from the team. I’m glad Conroy is in charge right now as he instills way more confidence as he learns on the job.
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So you're arguing it's not a rebuild, it's a rebiggle.

Is that it?

I don't have an issue with fans wanting the rebuild more aggressive, but I'm up to here with the fans that are trying to suggest they are trying to stay competitive.

There is just too many data points clearly showing an organization not doing anything to help the on ice product, while accumulating assets that will help the future to get mired in this daily.
I don’t think the team knows which it is yet .

Last year I think Conroy expected them to be bad - bottom 10 bad easily - and they weren’t

So they took a very low risk offseason - do nothing either way and see what this roster shows . I don’t think they expected to be anywhere near this bad this season.

And the team has shown it’s bad and main contributors are old (and having regression years)

So the question over the next 6 weeks is does the team embrace and accept this “reality” or do they think this year is actually the blip and last years results were more in line with reality .

I don’t have to squint that hard to see the Flames believing adding a top 5 pick and a trade or UFA in the offseason gets them back to where they were last year

And they have openly said as much - whether you believe them or believe it’s lip service is up to any one person

If they move one player with term before the deadline I will believe they have embraced it . If not I believe they will be entering their 3rd straight wait and see season - aka being reactive
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Well, maybe I was wrong.
Partially. There is a decent segment of fans who think the Flames have not done enough to be proactive in rebuilding, and that argument does hold water.

Personally I wanted the Flames 2022-23 season to be the start of the rebuild, and was very disappointed it was delayed. That said, better late than never.
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Old 01-27-2026, 11:16 AM   #26198
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I know they would not be considered a contender but I wonder what a trade of Kadri to Seattle would look like. Likely includes Wright but what else? Tough because I think Seattle over-values Wright and the flames will likely only trade Kadri if the return is really good.

How would people feel about this:

To Seattle:
Kadri

To Calgary:
Wright
2026 1st round pick (top 15 protected)

Way off? Not sure who is over-paying in this situation and I don’t know if the teams are a fit anyways.
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I know they would not be considered a contender but I wonder what a trade of Kadri to Seattle would look like. Likely includes Wright but what else? Tough because I think Seattle over-values Wright and the flames will likely only trade Kadri if the return is really good.

How would people feel about this:

To Seattle:
Kadri

To Calgary:
Wright
2026 1st round pick (top 15 protected)

Way off? Not sure who is over-paying in this situation and I don’t know if the teams are a fit anyways.
I think that if a trade happened today we'd get a B prospect and a 2nd round pick. The value is very low right now.
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I know they would not be considered a contender but I wonder what a trade of Kadri to Seattle would look like. Likely includes Wright but what else? Tough because I think Seattle over-values Wright and the flames will likely only trade Kadri if the return is really good.

How would people feel about this:

To Seattle:
Kadri

To Calgary:
Wright
2026 1st round pick (top 15 protected)

Way off? Not sure who is over-paying in this situation and I don’t know if the teams are a fit anyways.
I don’t think we would get either of those assets TBH
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