Obama did some ####ty things, like all presidents do. Drone strikes killed civilians, even children. I wish it hadn't but that wasn't the intended outcome. They were targeting terrorists.
Trump is doing ####ty things because he's a ####ty person who surrounds himself with other ####ty people. Trump is not a fascist, because that would mean he stood for something, but he's given fascists like Miller free reign to enact evil policies because they tell Trump they make him look strong. We know he's not, but his base doesn't, or doesn't care because they're ####ty too.
i know what you're saying, but make no mistake,
1) Trump is a fascist.
The Nazis were not just one man either.
Hitler was surrounded by names like Himmler, Goebbels, Heydrich, Speer, Goring, Rosenberg, Frick, Steicher, Bormann, Hess... each contributing their own evil piss into the cauldron of fascism
He stands for something - the unchallenged rule of the rich whites and the scapegoating of whoever he needs to scapegoat.
That is TEXTBOOK fascism - even if he needs a Miller to tell him who to scapegoat and a Peter Theil to tell him how the rich whites will rule
2) Obama may not have been a fascist, and he may have been a symbol of hope for us Millenials in 2008 after GW but he was very much a liberal imperialist. When the CIA assassinated Muamar Gadafi, our western media might have painted him a villain, but most accounts from non-diaspora paint Gadafi as someone who was making a country and region rich in resources build one of the highest standards of living, just at the expense of European / American interests that devalued the Euro/Dollar, reduced western exploitation of the serfs, etc etc. Obama's government's involvement in sabotaging Libya is one of the worst crimes in global history. Period. If Obama was actually who he was supposed to be, the USA would have assassinated him like they did four presidents prior to him that actually brought material change. Instead, he's out here living a cushy retired life after two terms and barely even bothered by the fascist takeover because - at their core - American ""democrats"" are just Harper's conservatives. They might not be outright fascists, but they'll gladly dine with fascists. And whether it's Obama or Biden or Harris, they'll turn a deaf ear to genocides that don't impact American profits negatively.
At some point we need to start questioning our language.
Is anyone fighting for freedom, prosperity, and sovereignty in their home country "terrorists"? When the Americans come in and find a way to replace your $100k salary with the proceeds of prison camps and AI, and you decide to say #### that, get out of Canada, are you a terrorist? Were ICE suddenly on our side of the border entering the reserves of treaty 7 indigineous people, and the global media calling you the terrorist, what meaning does that word still hold?
The "middle East" is another one we need to really consider not using. It's a colonial language used by the british empire. If you cannot stop centering the imperial powers in Britain and USA, you cannot objectively comment on the warfare these countries enact.
tl;dr
Trump is a fascist surrounded by more fascists. He's a rapist and a crook and a mafioso too. But Obama was problematic too.
Us Canadians, even those who voted Liberal, need to be skeptical and critical of Carney too, rather than giving him the Obama "he's not [fascist oPPonent] therefore he is doing everything possible to end fascism/austerity/neo-colonialism".
As the most educated country in the world we need to be able to say Obama was problematic, even if we all agree that Trump is way, way, way more problematic.
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I missed this earlier. I thought I would repost and imbed it in case anyone else missed it because it drives home a lot of the things that are happening.
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I had no idea this was even happening, otherwise I would've put even greater effort into not going.
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Around 6:15 a.m. on Monday, “Fox & Friends” co-host Brian Kilmeade pitched a solution to President Trump’s growing political problem in Minnesota. “What I would do is just bring Tom Homan in,” he said.
Kilmeade, a Trump booster who knows the president often watches the morning show, volunteered the idea again at 7:15 and once more at 8:10. Homan, the border czar and a former Fox commentator, would “settle things down” and help Trump, Kilmeade said.
Maybe Trump was watching, maybe he wasn’t — but either way, he said, “I am sending Tom Homan to Minnesota tonight,” 20 minutes after Kilmeade suggested it a third time.
Kilmeade the one who said the solution to homelessness was to just kill them?
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The "middle East" is another one we need to really consider not using. It's a colonial language used by the british empire. If you cannot stop centering the imperial powers in Britain and USA, you cannot objectively comment on the warfare these countries enact.
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Look, it was the Middle East in Risk, and that's how it's gotta stay.
Interestingly, Risk thus makes a great case for Moreberta.
What is the alternative to M.E.? Maybe we need a contest. My entry is Sandy McSand Place.
If this isn't the time for any sane Canadian or other free person of the world to say "I'm not going there anymore" I don't know what is.
If you choose to spend money in that country, you are choosing to support this. I know that with globalization it is an insanely hard ask to fully eliminate purchases that support in one way or another a company based there, but travel is easy. Don't go there. It isn't worth it.
Look, it was the Middle East in Risk, and that's how it's gotta stay.
You know, I had forgotten how thoroughly Ukraine won the war in the Risk universe. Putin got wrecked.
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It’s less realizing anything and more just that normal people can talk about Trump without bringing up Trudeau and Obama every time they do.
Here we go again. People can bring up Obama when he awarded a person a medal, who demonstrated the same behavior when awarded the medal.
Be honest. Its because you don’t ever want to hear about Liberals or Democrats being anything but what your false imagination has told you. Which I get. It would completely destabilize the arrogance you come here with.
I mean knowing that no matter the political ideology, either side has the ability to be awful would be devastating for you. I get it. Just remember some around here want to understand how we got here, and how we avoid it in future. Sticking your fingers in ears and yelling shut up to everyone won’t get us there.
Here we go again. People can bring up Obama when he awarded a person a medal, who demonstrated the same behavior when awarded the medal.
Be honest. Its because you don’t ever want to hear about Liberals or Democrats being anything but what your false imagination has told you. Which I get. It would completely destabilize the arrogance you come here with.
I mean knowing that no matter the political ideology, either side has the ability to be awful would be devastating for you. I get it. Just remember some around here want to understand how we got here, and how we avoid it in future. Sticking your fingers in ears and yelling shut up to everyone won’t get us there.
That’s some kind of projection. It ain’t that at all, and constantly thinking that isn’t going to get ya anywhere.
How we got here is people continuing down roads like this, where they try to equate both sides, when it's often the difference between stealing a chocolate bar, and robbing Ft Knox. Yes, they are both wrong. No, they are not equivalent. By pretending they are, you end up with people who either bow out because everything is awful, or feel it doesn't matter so much, because both are bad, and one side promised better candies. So forget the details, I want candies.
Look, I know you are just having an awakening here, but all this stuff is basic and has been "figured out" long ago. If you struggle to recognize that, perhaps that requires more inward questions than outward.
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Here we go again. People can bring up Obama when he awarded a person a medal, who demonstrated the same behavior when awarded the medal.
Be honest. Its because you don’t ever want to hear about Liberals or Democrats being anything but what your false imagination has told you. Which I get. It would completely destabilize the arrogance you come here with.
I mean knowing that no matter the political ideology, either side has the ability to be awful would be devastating for you. I get it. Just remember some around here want to understand how we got here, and how we avoid it in future. Sticking your fingers in ears and yelling shut up to everyone won’t get us there.
I didn’t take any issue with Ped bringing up Obama, since it was relevant.
I’m laughing because people are being gunned down in the street by the government and you pop your head in at the first mention of Obama with “SO WE CAN FINALLY TALK ABOUT OBAMA??”
You do the same thing in the Canadian politics thread. Carney delivers a powerful, thoughtful speech in front of other world leaders compelling them to take action and not be eaten up by the larger powers in the world… and you’re talking about how Trudeau’s celebrity girlfriend makes you sick.
You’re just kind of a gag is all, despite obviously taking yourself super seriously lol. I know you think you “get it,” but it’s clear you don’t get much, since you’re admittedly streets behind what everyone else has already figured out.
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It's pretty simple. I believe Obama and most other Presidents and candidates for President have genuinely wanted to make life better for the American people, however they think that works. They probably all engaged in borderline if not full-on criminal behaviour to get there and while President. For the most part, I believe these to be done with the end goal being what's best for America.
Trump has never wanted to make anything better for anyone but himself. Even his kids. If it's them vs him, it's him. He doesn't and has never wanted the prosperity of the American people or the country itself. He just wants to syphon all he can from everything.
Trump: "With that being said, you can't have guns. You can't walk in with guns. You just can't. You can't walk in with guns. You can't do that. But it's just a very unfortunate incident."
Trump is coming for your guns maga
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