01-23-2026, 11:10 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
https://twitter.com/user/status/2014182855640023081
If this isn't a clear illustration of why these stats are largely useless (except with significant sample sizes), I don't know what is.
The only player on this list that has been a truly effective player over that period (think of a positive WAR stat in baseball) is Coleman. EVERY other player is a function of sheltered minutes.
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and microscopic sample size with players that have barely played.
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01-23-2026, 11:56 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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I dont even know who I want to be in net. After that Pittsburgh game I get the feeling that we're going to get lit the F up.
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01-23-2026, 12:10 PM
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
https://twitter.com/user/status/2014182855640023081
If this isn't a clear illustration of why these stats are largely useless (except with significant sample sizes), I don't know what is.
The only player on this list that has been a truly effective player over that period (think of a positive WAR stat in baseball) is Coleman. EVERY other player is a function of sheltered minutes.
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No one is saying they're the best players. That's you jumping to a conclusion.
Exceeding against sheltered minutes implies you should give them more minutes. That's the conclusion they are coming to. We have a deep team, someone needs to excel against the depth of other teams.
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01-23-2026, 12:14 PM
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#24
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
https://twitter.com/user/status/2014182855640023081
If this isn't a clear illustration of why these stats are largely useless (except with significant sample sizes), I don't know what is.
The only player on this list that has been a truly effective player over that period (think of a positive WAR stat in baseball) is Coleman. EVERY other player is a function of sheltered minutes.
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Honzek wasn't sheltered this season as he (exclusively?) played on Backlund's line. I can't recall how he was deployed last season.
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01-23-2026, 12:21 PM
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#25
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
If this isn't a clear illustration of why these stats are largely useless (except with significant sample sizes), I don't know what is.
The only player on this list that has been a truly effective player over that period (think of a positive WAR stat in baseball) is Coleman. EVERY other player is a function of sheltered minutes.
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I don't know, I guess each person sees what he/she wants to see. Honzek wasn't sheltered on the Backlund line. Kerins wasn't sheltered on the Kadri line. Mantha is also effective in PIT, like the Oilers found out last night.
Parekh is probably the most sheltered player on the team. At least he was pretty good in that role.
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Originally Posted by D as in David
Honzek wasn't sheltered this season as he (exclusively?) played on Backlund's line. I can't recall how he was deployed last season.
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He played with Kadri and Kuzmenko.
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01-23-2026, 12:31 PM
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#26
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by DJones
No one is saying they're the best players. That's you jumping to a conclusion.
Exceeding against sheltered minutes implies you should give them more minutes. That's the conclusion they are coming to. We have a deep team, someone needs to excel against the depth of other teams.
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Well I didn't say 'best players' either, so it isn't me that jumped to that conclusion.
You are using these stats to justify a position that they deserve more minutes. I am saying these stats are garbage - none of these players, other than Coleman, have been good NHLers over that period. The others have been fine, with sheltered minutes, but nothing about their play aligns with these stats.
Let me put it another way: show me any OTHER evidence that these players have been performing well, and deserve more ice time. If there isn't any, then that suggests this stat is a statistical outlier (which is what I am suggesting).
Stats like these are LARGELY situation-dependent. Also, small sample sizes are subject to extremely large, and unrepresentative swings (i.e. useless).
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01-23-2026, 12:35 PM
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Franchise Player
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I am one of the bigger fans of Honzek on CP.
But let me put it this way: pretty much every player who plays with Backlund and Coleman, ends up with better numbers. And with a small sample size, the competition they faced may not be representative of what they would face for an entire season. And it is most certainly not representative of what he would face in other situations, with other linemates.
Small sample sizes don't provide valid information
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01-23-2026, 12:39 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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01-23-2026, 12:42 PM
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Someone looks at the shifts and noticed that Gridin’s missing time came mid-second period. That doesn’t seem like a benching or not using him at key times. Could easily have been an equipment issue, maybe the old Sutter excuse for a player’s absence.
And yeah, Lomberg was absolutely flying. If he had any kind of hands around the net he’d be a second liner - he has great speed and obviously has enough grit.
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I am thankful that you reminded of the #####break incident.
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01-23-2026, 12:52 PM
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Well I didn't say 'best players' either, so it isn't me that jumped to that conclusion.
You are using these stats to justify a position that they deserve more minutes. I am saying these stats are garbage - none of these players, other than Coleman, have been good NHLers over that period. The others have been fine, with sheltered minutes, but nothing about their play aligns with these stats.
Let me put it another way: show me any OTHER evidence that these players have been performing well, and deserve more ice time. If there isn't any, then that suggests this stat is a statistical outlier (which is what I am suggesting).
Stats like these are LARGELY situation-dependent. Also, small sample sizes are subject to extremely large, and unrepresentative swings (i.e. useless).
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None of those guys got a chance... Which is the entire point of the conversation. They want to play these guys more and current guys less.
Honzek was praised continually for his play.
Mantha would be our top goal scorer this year and I liked him
Hanley - Parekh only played for about 55 minutes but they statistically dominated. Shots, goals, whatever you think is predictive. They did it well. Then Parekh was thrown in with random players for 10 minutes and struggled. Huh, maybe some partner consistency would help him would be a logical conclusion from the numbers.
And people notice that when you put skilled guys on the 4th line they played better than the bruiser squad getting stuck in their own end every night.
Last edited by DJones; 01-23-2026 at 12:54 PM.
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01-23-2026, 12:56 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: CALGARY
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Originally Posted by Royle9
I laughed on 960 this morning, they crew were asking Wills if he thinks CGY should Wade Redden Huberdeau to the AHL at his full cap hit, and Wills was shocked to hear we've got 5 more years after this one of this nightmare.
Everyone cried.
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Wills- Geez its worst than i thought and thats coming from a unrealistic homer. 
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01-23-2026, 01:10 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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So the Flames have Weegar + 5 stay at home D. I wonder which one will get PP2 minutes?Bahl or Kuznetsov?
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01-23-2026, 01:16 PM
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#33
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by gvitaly
So the Flames have Weegar + 5 stay at home D. I wonder which one will get PP2 minutes?Bahl or Kuznetsov?
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The PP is so ineffective right now. It's not like they could score any less. Might as well protect against being scored upon.
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"The first thing that goes when you lose your hands, are your fine motor skills."
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01-23-2026, 01:39 PM
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gvitaly
So the Flames have Weegar + 5 stay at home D. I wonder which one will get PP2 minutes?Bahl or Kuznetsov?
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Go 5 forwards?
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01-23-2026, 01:44 PM
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Go 5 forwards?
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Put Wolf at the bumper.
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01-23-2026, 01:47 PM
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#36
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Go 5 forwards?
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Could be the way to go. I'm a bit curious to see Kuznetsov on the PP. He has more goals than Weegar, in less games. If you take away Weegar's 3 PP points, then they're producing at a similar rate as well.
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01-23-2026, 02:18 PM
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#37
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Go 5 forwards?
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Farabee has already played some minutes at D this year. He could fit there.
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01-23-2026, 03:10 PM
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#39
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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I would try this
Kadri-Sharangovich-Zary-Coronato-Weegar
Huberdeau-Frost-Klapka-Gridin-Whitecloud
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01-23-2026, 03:20 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
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The PowerTank!
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