American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

On one of the European outlets yesterday, they speculated that Denmark and Greenland were going to offer up parcels of land on Greenland that the U.S. would have sovereignty over, basically the land that is occupied by military bases and the immediate surrounding area. So instead of leases, the U.S. will own the land.

Trump can claim he won buy acquiring some land, but in reality nothing really changes on how the day-to-day things work for the population of Greenland. They thought there could also be rights given to the U.S. to tap into the mineral resources. Which actually suits Greenland fine because they want foreign investment to help get the industry going. I guess we'll see if their speculation was correct.

All this could have been done without threats and undermining NATO of course. That can't be undone now.

That is pretty genius! Let's do that for Alberta too. We will give him 100 acres in Red Deer!

[direwolf]

Lol! So what happened? Did someone else give Trump their Nobel Prize?

Speaking of which, I saw a clip of Gavin Newsom from earlier, and says he never thought that Trump’s military invasion threat was ever a real thing, and that he thought it was ridiculous that people fell for it, knowing how much Trump continually backs down from stuff like this.

[DownInFlames]

Did Trump really pull the "Without us you'd be speaking German" card? In Switzerland? #### he dumb.

[woob]

Got his speech on in the background. He really doesn't like windmills.

[devo22]

man really said "concept of a deal" again lol

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Lol! So what happened? Did someone else give Trump their Nobel Prize?

Speaking of which, I saw a clip of Gavin Newsom from earlier, and says he never thought that Trump’s military invasion threat was ever a real thing, and that he thought it was ridiculous that people fell for it, knowing how much Trump continually backs down from stuff like this.

This right here is the real problem, and why we can literally never trust America again. He's acknowledging that Trump is an absolute moron but placing the blame externally on people believing him?

We basically have an insane, senile dope waiving a bazooka around saying he may or may not shoot one person in the room, and they are saying "don't worry, it's not even loaded" instead of stopping him from doing that. Meanwhile, we have seen time and time again that they have no ####ing idea if it's loaded or not.

And these are coming from the "good" side, the side we are supposed to hope would return things to order. Carney is right, the old world is dead.

[direwolf]

I agree that what Newsom is saying there is pretty dumb and not helpful. To his credit though, he does seem to be leading the charge when it comes to pushing back against the Trump regime and calling them out in their bulls***. America could certainly use more people like him, especially in Congress.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by devo22

step 1: create crisis
step 2: everyone talks about crisis
step 3: "solve" crisis
step 4: victory lap
step 5: select topic for step 1

rinse and repeat.

Ensure market tanks, advise family and other cronies to buy up cheaper stock, “change mind” about tariffs and profit wildly.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

This right here is the real problem, and why we can literally never trust America again. He's acknowledging that Trump is an absolute moron but placing the blame externally on people believing him?

We basically have an insane, senile dope waiving a bazooka around saying he may or may not shoot one person in the room, and they are saying "don't worry, it's not even loaded" instead of stopping him from doing that. Meanwhile, we have seen time and time again that they have no ####ing idea if it's loaded or not.

And these are coming from the "good" side, the side we are supposed to hope would return things to order. Carney is right, the old world is dead.

The problem with the "good" side of American politics is that they are equally captured by corporations, aside from a few exceptions like Bernie.

Newsom is working hard to paint himself to be the anti-Trump but he still has for-profit prisions in California that work hard to incarcerate people and then use them as a slave labour force. Then if you have a prisoner wildfire fighter who gets out of jail with a bunch of experience fighting wildfires in California, they refuse to give the guy a job doing the exact same thing because he is an ex-con.

If Newsom was really a "good" guy he would be abolishing things like that in his state. So while I admit that I am enjoying how hard he is trolling Trump and maga, the guy is just the next iteration of Biden who would give the people 15% of what he promises while still mainly serving his corporate overlords.

It is a stark reminder why it is so important for the population to be constantly engaged and involved in protecting their democracy.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Trump: "Based upon a very productive meeting I had with Mark Rutte, we have formed the framework of a future deal with respect to Greenland and, in fact, the entire Arctic Region. This solution, if consummated, will be a great one... Based upon this understanding, I will not be imposing the Tariffs"

He said he talked to Rutte, the NATO guy...who doesnt own Greenland. So what exactly might this deal be? Fake news? Lol

Of course the morons are eating it up like he's some master negotiator.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Trump: "Based upon a very productive meeting I had with Mark Rutte, we have formed the framework of a future deal with respect to Greenland and, in fact, the entire Arctic Region. This solution, if consummated, will be a great one... Based upon this understanding, I will not be imposing the Tariffs"

He said he talked to Rutte, the NATO guy...who doesnt own Greenland. So what exactly might this deal be? Fake news? Lol

It will be something like the US can continue to use the bases they already have there and Trump will declare that he won and that he now owns Greenland. Nothing will change but he will make google maps in the US rename it to Orange Ice.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Wolven

soap box.

Fine, I don't disagree with any of that necessarily, except for maybe the drive by slander on Biden. But that's not at all what I was talking about.

I mean, even the Americans who would be against turfing NATO and invading allied states are still treating Trump threatening our land as casual rantings instead of the actual existential threat that it is. We can never trust them because that belies how little they truly care about things outside of their country.

People often compare current USA to Rome, but IMO they are much more like Ming China. They are the center of the universe, nothing external actually matters to them at all. And atop all it revolves around the man on the golden throne. The middle kingdom.

[WCW Nitro]

I do like how whenever Trump backs down MAGA declares it is the art of the deal- weren't they just saying how important it was for America to control Greenland and how the great Presidents expanded territory?

[devo22]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

I do like how whenever Trump backs down MAGA declares it is the art of the deal- weren't they just saying how important it was for America to control Greenland and how the great Presidents expanded territory?

they'll still call this a massive win and further proof of his raw power and great negotiation skills.

Not that I'll ever understand their thinking. Dude is "small #### energy" personified ... and I hate these childish labels, but you rarely see someone who fits the bill this well. Well, Andrew Tate, maybe.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Tate is one of the biggest closet cases in human history more than anything, though he may also have a tiny peckerwood.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Tate is one of the biggest closet cases in human history more than anything, though he may also have a tiny peckerwood.

I'm guessing he aint pitching anyway so the size of his ###### isnt an issue

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Fine, I don't disagree with any of that necessarily, except for maybe the drive by slander on Biden. But that's not at all what I was talking about.

I mean, even the Americans who would be against turfing NATO and invading allied states are still treating Trump threatening our land as casual rantings instead of the actual existential threat that it is. We can never trust them because that belies how little they truly care about things outside of their country.

People often compare current USA to Rome, but IMO they are much more like Ming China. They are the center of the universe, nothing external actually matters to them at all. And atop all it revolves around the man on the golden throne. The middle kingdom.

I really like Biden. At the same time, I think it is easy to be critical of the fact that he and most of the Democratic party are captured by corporations and that because of the amount of corporate money they accept, they never seem to do more than make incremental changes (10-15% of what they promise). They also refuse to attack the big issues plaguing their government, like the legal and open bribing of government officials (Citizens United).

Newsom is working hard to position himself as either "The guy who will defeat Trump" or "The President of California" but how much change would he actually bring? I think it is safe to say he'll stop the temper tantrums on the global stage but will he implement big changes to course correct the country after Trump tries to break it? Probably not.

Still, hopefully America has another election and in that case I'll still be cheering for the Dems to try to bring back some semblance of sanity... but once the system is broken it will be very hard to actually fix it.

[mogg]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Putin must think he’s been transported to an alternate universe.

Cloud 9, over the moon, beyond his wildest dreams, quasi-ecstatic bliss, you name it he’s there. Trump is his absolute bitch.

[SutterBrother]

No Midterms

As Republicans face down slipping approval ratings and growing voter discontent, President Donald Trump is musing about canceling — or refusing to accept the outcome of — the 2026 midterms.

“It’s some deep psychological thing, but when you win the presidency, you don’t win the midterms,” Trump told Reuters in an interview published today. “When you think of it, we shouldn’t even have an election.”

The comments came on the heels of an interview the president gave to The New York Times, in which he repeatedly danced around a commitment to respecting the results of the midterms, claiming that he “always [respects] the results of elections, but the elections in our country are rigged.”

[wireframe]

We have a week of relative peace until the epstein stuff gains enough traction that he needs another distraction.