[Rumour] TSN: Kadri wants to win and do what is best for Flames

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Just put the word "essentially" in front of 1st and the 2nd magically turns into a 1st!

If we trade them enough of our players they should essentially finish where they Flames are and thus in 2028 that 2nd will essentially be a 1st.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I was talking about how they treat people not things like facilities.
I also don't think that the Flames lost their stars because of how they treated them.

I've been proud about how the Flames have handled things like Kylington's issues, Chris Snow, Johnny and his family, etc. And I haven't heard ex players say much bad about the Flames have you?

But never miss a chance to take a crap all over the team you "cheer" for.

In general the Flames seem like an organization that treats its players better than most.

That said players don't usually throw teams under the bus. I always thought Gio had some hard feelings about the Flames not protecting him in the expansion draft. D. Hamilton didn't seem like he was a fit. I'm pretty sure Neal, and M. Smith were a bit bitter with their time in CGY. Rittich seemed heart broken when he was traded.

The mass exodus after Sutter got here probably had some players being unhappy here. Z in particular saw himself as a top 4 D and wanted out. The Markstrom trade falling apart seemed like another bridge burned. Bennett was unhappy and asked for a trade under Ward. Guys like Valimaki and Phillips were pretty happy to move on.

Again I'm not sure how much of this is due to how the Flames treated a player, how a coach interacted with him, or a lack of an opportunity. I guess I'm just acknowledging the fact that any team/workplace has several players/employees unhappy at any point in time.

[Ryan Coke]

I’d be surprised to get a very significant return for Kadri. That contract term at his age is going to be a concern for any team, even if they really want him this year. Each year his contract gets to be less onerous, so hopefully his play doesn’t drop off so much that it offsets that. But I would be surprised to get anything close to a first unless there were other elements of the deal that mitigate the term on his contract.

[stemit14]

I think LA would be a great trade partner if they offer up a 1st round pick + prospect. Their pick sits at 9th overall right now so I’m certain they could make it top 10 protected… which is fine. I could see them remaining a bubble team next year as well. Also, putting Kadri in their team might make them a tougher out if they once again face the oilers (provided they make the playoffs).

[icarus]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

That said players don't usually throw teams under the bus. I always thought Gio had some hard feelings about the Flames not protecting him in the expansion draft.

I recall Gio saying similar things that Kadri is saying now, i.e. he is up for whatever is in the best interests of the Flames organisation.

Of course there's a big difference going somewhere where you're not going to win, i.e. expansion draft, versus going to a playoff-bound team.

[dino7c]

I like how people always use the biggest lopsided for the seller trades in recent history to guage value

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

Oh boy...I mean believe what you want to believe, but we have been voted the second worst facilities in the league. We're the only team (other than Toronto now) that has lost their stars the past 5yrs...

I don't doubt we have great folks in the organization, but I wouldn't have the Flames even in the top 20 of local organizations, or in the top half of the NHL.

You do know they will have the newest facilities in the league soon right?

Canucks haven't lost stars?

[HockeyKhan]

With all of the apparent interest in Coleman, what do you think Conroy’s ask is that would push it over the top? A 1st and a B+ tier prospect? Or perhaps a top prospect and a 2nd or 3rd? Or maybe just the right top prospect?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by HockeyKhan

With all of the apparent interest in Coleman, what do you think Conroy’s ask is that would push it over the top? A 1st and a B+ tier prospect? Or perhaps a top prospect and a 2nd or 3rd? Or maybe just the right top prospect?

Conroy has said he wants to add another 1st in the ‘26 draft, and I think this is his best shot. I think once someone offers that, he’ll give teams a chance to raise their bids and then close.

[Britflamesfan]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Before people get all excited and drum up some lofty return expections, I believe Kadri & Coleman (if it happens) will be given full say in where they want to get traded to or be significantly(?), heavily (?) involved in the process. They are very respected by the front office. Organization believes they have been excellent ambassadors of the club so will do right by them. Neither will get traded where they haven't given their blessing. Limited NTC or not.

This has to stop, the players are being paid millions to be part of the club that includes being good ambassadors. You don’t put extra handcuffs on yourself on top of the fact they already have list of teams they won’t go to. Utterly ridiculous the players run rings round GM’s these days.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Britflamesfan

This has to stop, the players are being paid millions to be part of the club that includes being good ambassadors.

No, the players are being paid millions of dollars because they have a union that demanded and received 50 percent of the league's total revenues. They get paid the same whether they are good ambassadors or not, as long as they perform specific public duties mentioned in the Standard Player's Contract. Being accommodating about where they get traded to is not one of those duties.

[Britflamesfan]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

No, the players are being paid millions of dollars because they have a union that demanded and received 50 percent of the league's total revenues. They get paid the same whether they are good ambassadors or not, as long as they perform specific public duties mentioned in the Standard Player's Contract. Being accommodating about where they get traded to is not one of those duties.

The Union works for the player's as do the agents. The point I am making is the players choose this career and it is a pretty good one if you make it. They fully understand the requirement to move when traded and complete complete duties for the club. You don't need to mollycoddle them as they already have a list where they don't want to go. As team you go out and get the best return you can from those teams you can trade to, you do not limit yourself more by saying to the players 'do you mind moving here'. If you think the players give one hoot about the Calgary Flames after leaving you are likely wrong. Friends/Girlfriend's/Family undoubtably.

I would apply the same to Backlund, all this let him finish his career with just one club is silly nonsense, no body will give a fig after a month of him leaving. The team needs to be far more ruthless if it ever wants to win the cup again. Lets face it the players are and it would appear the team just don't get it.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

No, the players are being paid millions of dollars because they have a union that demanded and received 50 percent of the league's total revenues. They get paid the same whether they are good ambassadors or not, as long as they perform specific public duties mentioned in the Standard Player's Contract. Being accommodating about where they get traded to is not one of those duties.

They are still going to be making those millions regardless where they are traded. If the have a full no movement clauseno trade clause good for them . The 2 players being discussed have limited trade clauses. Whu do they need to be involved so intimately? The players submitted their no trade list . They already told the team where they won't play so the team should be able to trade them to all the others not on the list no further discussion needed with the players.

The players already said no to certain teams. That's fair play for management to send them where ever else they like whether they are highly regarded by front staff or nor. It's not personal it's business and as long as they agree not to send you to specific places no longer should the player have a say.

I get there is a banalcing act between being able to attract players and what not but It's not like any of these current players did much for the business side 8n the grand scheme of things. Not even a look at a possible 2nd round.

If we are going to consider that Coleman got that "kicked" goal waved off but he did his job is weak at best for a argument. They Flames could have at least won 1 game after that.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Kadri to FLA for some kind of package that brings Samoskevich here would be the dream scenario for me. Helps Florida win another Cup and gets us a player who would immediately be the best forwed on the team.

Given DeSantis in December declared Muslim rights groups as terrorist organizations I don't see Kadri having any interest in Florida.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Given DeSantis in December declared Muslim rights groups as terrorist organizations I don't see Kadri having any interest in Florida.

If Florida is on the trade list then this shouldn't matter to the Flames Management team. You signed a contract that Florida is okay. Your personal problems are not the businesses problems unless you signed a contract that states certain ones are. Im sure you can play there for 3 years then leave. He dosen't even have to live there full time just show up for work.and stay at a hotel or stay with a player. These guys all own multiple homes in many places that their family live at instead. Coleman has a ranch in Texas he's ultimately going to retire at . All the players have homes bought where they prefer to live . That's why when you hear a player stayed in town to train over the summer is so fascinating. It's not even uncommon in sports or other industries that they have multiple homes because during work they live one place and another where the Family lives 100% of the time . Im sure for 2 years after this season 14 million is a pretty good motivator just to tougʻ it out till retirement.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I like how people always use the biggest lopsided for the seller trades in recent history to guage value

This is a fair criticism.

But in this case since the rumour was that the Avs had made the same offer for Kadri before shifting to Nelson (according to Royle9 in the past), then it feels fair to expect something similar but agree the return will likely be less than that.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

This is a fair criticism.

But in this case since the rumour was that the Avs had made the same offer for Kadri before shifting to Nelson (according to Royle9 in the past), then it feels fair to expect something similar but agree the return will likely be less than that.

This is correct, but that was last year and now those assets are gone.
I still believe Kadri is worth a good haul, really depends on who’s the final few teams in the dance.

I get a sense that Dallas/Colorado would be his first choice(s)

[howard_the_duck]

Unless there’s significant retention I would be surprised if the return is close to what’s being speculated in this thread.

I could see a Marchand-like return for Kadri, maybe a mid-level prospect added.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

Oh boy...I mean believe what you want to believe, but we have been voted the second worst facilities in the league. We're the only team (other than Toronto now) that has lost their stars the past 5yrs...

I don't doubt we have great folks in the organization, but I wouldn't have the Flames even in the top 20 of local organizations, or in the top half of the NHL.

So the Flames should stop building a culture that players want to be a part of because they don't have a new facility yet?

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

In general the Flames seem like an organization that treats its players better than most.

That said players don't usually throw teams under the bus. I always thought Gio had some hard feelings about the Flames not protecting him in the expansion draft. D. Hamilton didn't seem like he was a fit. I'm pretty sure Neal, and M. Smith were a bit bitter with their time in CGY. Rittich seemed heart broken when he was traded.

The mass exodus after Sutter got here probably had some players being unhappy here. Z in particular saw himself as a top 4 D and wanted out. The Markstrom trade falling apart seemed like another bridge burned. Bennett was unhappy and asked for a trade under Ward. Guys like Valimaki and Phillips were pretty happy to move on.

Again I'm not sure how much of this is due to how the Flames treated a player, how a coach interacted with him, or a lack of an opportunity. I guess I'm just acknowledging the fact that any team/workplace has several players/employees unhappy at any point in time.

To the bolded: I can't imagine why Neal would be bitter - he got paid to do nothing. And continued to do nothing after he was traded. Smith - well Smith seems like he's bitter all the time. Rittich was heartbroken because he loved it here -so i think that's more of an argument that it's a good org. to play for. Bennett is fair - we mishandled him - or he just wasn't a fit. Z has an overinflated sense of his skillset IMO - so I think that was a mutual parting, and I wouldn't say the Flames mistreated him. Markstrom I think was being a bit sensitive - maybe the Flames could've handled it better, but you're a pro hockey player, being traded is part of the gig. Valimaki and Phillips are tweeners at best, and were looking for opportunities elsewhere - but ultimately nothing really changed for them.