2025/2026 Season Trade Rumours and Speculation Thread

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Late 1st for Whitecloud???? I don't think that's realistic at all but if any team is willing to make that trade Conroy can drive Whitecloud to the airport right now.

edit: Not saying anyone is saying it's realistic, but that it was even uttered is crazy, imo. Even a 2nd would be great.

It's 100% something that could potentially happen, I'd say it is realistic and that I wouldn't move him for just a 2nd.

He's very similar to Brandon Carlo who got a 1st + Minten.

A defensive minute eater, who is RH shot, can PK, has a great contract with term, and who doesn't have trade protection will be a valuable asset.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Late 1st for Whitecloud???? I don't think that's realistic at all but if any team is willing to make that trade Conroy can drive Whitecloud to the airport right now.

edit: Not saying anyone is saying it's realistic, but that it was even uttered is crazy, imo. Even a 2nd would be great.

We'll see. But I think you're underrating him

[#-3]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Late 1st for Whitecloud???? I don't think that's realistic at all but if any team is willing to make that trade Conroy can drive Whitecloud to the airport right now.

edit: Not saying anyone is saying it's realistic, but that it was even uttered is crazy, imo. Even a 2nd would be great.

I think the scenario that gets you here, is Conroy already having pretty firm offers from 4 or 5 team for a top4 RD and really no other ones being available. So he cycles back to all of the teams and talks about the pieces that were on the table, then focus's on the 3 pieces they get to keep while leaving the pick alone on the table, then he waits for one of the teams to blink and say it's just 1 pick.

But yeah that would be great if it did happen

[traptor]

I wonder what it would take to get Greig from the sens.


Local center in a good age range.
A bit bured, has some jam, good in the dot.


They could use a stable RD. I would add a bit to Whitecloud for him.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah Flames went from having the best RH Dman available as a rental, to potentially having the best RH dman available with term.

Hamilton is available but is being restrictive with his NTC.

Faulk and Klingberg might be available but they are more offensive dmen that are more one dimensional and don't have great playoff history.

And pretty much every playoff hopeful team not named Vegas needs a RH dman.

Dallas
Detroit
Boston
Buffalo
Carolina
Colorado
Edmonton
Los Angeles
Ottawa
Pittsburgh
Anaheim
San Jose
Washington

Those teams all might be interested. And you have a player With term...under $3M...no NTC...and not many RH dmen available on the market...that's how you get a bidding war going

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

We'll see. But I think you're underrating him

You absolutely could be correct. I don't mind him, but never thought he'd fetch that much. Even if he got a 2nd back that Rasmus trade looks pretty awesome all of a sudden.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I never said it was a rule? Not sure how to address that. I think you inferred something that was not said.

You said, four years from now Whitecloud will be 33, therefore he will only be a third-pairing player. The logic only works if ALL 33-year-old defencemen are no better than third pairing.

Tanev has played top 4 (in his mid 30s and beyond) on 0 teams that have done anything significant in the playoffs.

Aaaaaand… here come the excuses.

I don’t care about presidents trophies or divisional banners, they are useless. I want Stanley cups not Edmonton level regular season stats. I gave a breakdown a few weeks ago showing the insignificance of presidents trophies to Stanley cup victories.

OK, so Whitecloud was a 4/5 on a Stanley Cup champion. Obviously you don’t think that counts either, because reasons.

Whitecloud is already viewed as a 4/5 defencemen by pundits like Seravalli,

He wasn’t viewed as a 4/5 by his Stanley Cup-winning coach. In fact, he led all Vegas defencemen at even-strength time this season. But I guess Seravalli knows more about the optimal utilization of defencemen than Cassidy, amirite?

Kuznetsov has been pro for a few years in the AHL so he has some seasoning the other youngins don’t.

Most guys who play three AHL seasons prove only that they are tweeners. That’s why Kuznetsov cleared waivers in October. He has proved that he belongs on an NHL roster since then.

To be quite clear, I don’t think he would be experienced enough to mentor young D at his current age (23) no matter what league he was playing in. He is not a veteran player.

[mile]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

You absolutely could be correct. I don't mind him, but never thought he'd fetch that much. Even if he got a 2nd back that Rasmus trade looks pretty awesome all of a sudden.

Dino mentioned earlier in this thread hearing from a former player that the Flames are already being offered a 2nd for Whitecloud, and are holding out for 2 2nds or a 1st.


Either of those returns would be amazing and would make the Ras deal an A+... if a 35-year old Schenn can return a 2nd and 4th at last years deadline I can see it. A 2nd+ should be the minimum return at least

[JTech780]

I think as long as Conroy just sits back and says make me trade them (Kadri, Coleman, Whitecloud) and let’s the offers roll in, he could do pretty well. Even if Kadri and Coleman decide the destination, Conroy still has the leverage in that he doesn’t have to move them. He can set his price internally and see if anyone comes close to it, if they don’t then you kick the can down the road and do it again at the draft.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You said, four years from now Whitecloud will be 33, therefore he will only be a third-pairing player. The logic only works if ALL 33-year-old defencemen are no better than third pairing.

No, I said what I said and I think you’re inferring something that wasn’t said. Whitecloud is currently a 4/5 who will be pushed down the depth chart as time goes on. When I specifically name one player it does not mean all players must follow that pattern.

Aaaaaand… here come the excuses.



OK, so Whitecloud was a 4/5 on a Stanley Cup champion. Obviously you don’t think that counts either, because reasons.



He wasn’t viewed as a 4/5 by his Stanley Cup-winning coach. In fact, he led all Vegas defencemen at even-strength time this season. But I guess Seravalli knows more about the optimal utilization of defencemen than Cassidy, amirite?

So is he a 4/5 or not? What are you trying to say? You’re contradicting yourself. You’ve said he both is a 4/5 and he isn’t. You can also cut down on the snarky comments jay (because reasons). I thought we were having a good back and forth, I don’t care to chat if you’re going to let your attitude flair up again

Most guys who play three AHL seasons prove only that they are tweeners. That’s why Kuznetsov cleared waivers in October. He has proved that he belongs on an NHL roster since then.

To be quite clear, I don’t think he would be experienced enough to mentor young D at his current age (23) no matter what league he was playing in. He is not a veteran player.

Oh I’m totally in agreement with you, he is not currently experienced enough, however he has a few years of pro (AHL) experience that guys like Parekh don’t and there is some wisdom in that. In 4 years or so I would hope a guy like Kuznetsov is in a position to be a mentor

See above

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by JTech780

I think as long as Conroy just sits back and says make me trade them (Kadri, Coleman, Whitecloud) and let’s the offers roll in, he could do pretty well.

That seems to be his preferred method, and he’s pretty good at it. Fishing instead of hunting. Let the prey come to him.

[stemit14]

Would be pretty wild to get a late 1st for Whitecloud, a 1st for Coleman and a 1st for Kadri. That would give the flames 8-9 1sts over the next 3 drafts. It would take a while for those picks to develop and know how well these trades worked out but it could be really exciting to have that kind of draft capital to build the team.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Would be pretty wild to get a late 1st for Whitecloud, a 1st for Coleman and a 1st for Kadri. That would give the flames 8-9 1sts over the next 3 drafts. It would take a while for those picks to develop and know how well these trades worked out but it could be really exciting to have that kind of draft capital to build the team.

That’s in the realm of possibility. I think more likely the team gets two 1sts, a 2nd, and a couple of spare parts. But that would still be pretty damn good.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by traptor

I wonder what it would take to get Greig from the sens.


Local center in a good age range.
A bit bured, has some jam, good in the dot.


They could use a stable RD. I would add a bit to Whitecloud for him.

I like Greig quite a bit, but I doubt the Sens would trade him. He’s also been playing pretty exclusively RW for the last couple of years and in the top six this year. Making steady progress every year, and looks to be a year or two away from a pretty big breakout.

His playing style reminds me of a Bennett/Zary combo.

If Calgary could pry him away from the Sens, he’d be a great piece, but moving him would create a pretty big hole for that team. Maybe a Kadri/Whitecloud package would do it but feels like an overpay at this point. Just don’t see him getting moved for less.

[ComixZone]

Just looking around at teams that could be interested in some of the players we may have available...I think LA may make a lot of sense for a Kadri and Whitecloud combo, and they have the cap space (and assets) to make the trade without much issue.

Would Kadri buy into LA as contenders? Who knows, but Kadri and Whitecloud fit into that team pretty perfectly.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by musth

You cant have all 24 year-olds on the team. That's how you become Buffalo.

I wish the "that's how you become buffalo" thing would just die. 32 teams in the league, Buffalo f***s up every single possible thing you could possible **** up as a franchise and over cautious fans constantly point to them in any rebuilding scenario as what you become if you do any single thing that isn't trying to stay competitive.

Sell off vets? That's how you become Buffalo
Make trades? That's how you become Buffalo
Draft high more than once? That's how you become Buffalo
Be an NHL hockey team? That's how you become Buffalo

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Believe me, Canadians can be racist, too. Incredibly so. My wife deals with it every single day. This is not a Canada vs. U.S. thing.

I would be extremely shocked, however, if Kadri got any death threats from ICE agents. Are you suggesting this is the case?



My eyes are wide open, and not to the crap that appears on TV. If you're a foreigner legally in the U.S., you should be carrying your papers at all times – which is only common sense for a foreigner travelling in ANY country. If you do that, you're as safe from the authorities as you can reasonably expect anywhere.

You're so deluded and misinformed, I love it, and you keep bringing your dumb stuff up in the hockey forum. Yikes.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by jayswin

You're so deluded and misinformed, I love it, and you keep bringing your dumb stuff up in the hockey forum. Yikes.

So are you denying that there’s racism in Canada? Or do you think everyone in the U.S. is Archie Bunker? Either way, the one who’s deluded is you.

[jg13]

ah yes the trade rumours thread my favourite spot to debate politics

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's 100% something that could potentially happen, I'd say it is realistic and that I wouldn't move him for just a 2nd.

He's very similar to Brandon Carlo who got a 1st + Minten.

A defensive minute eater, who is RH shot, can PK, has a great contract with term, and who doesn't have trade protection will be a valuable asset.

Imagine someone gets desperate and gives up a 1st for Whitecloud

Then Vegas wins

And you essentially turned Rasmus Andersson into three 1sts and a prospect.