[Trade] Andersson (50% retained) to Vegas for 27 1st, cond 28 2nd, Whitecloud, Wiebe

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Like in what world would a team offer Rasmus $10.5 million/per??!! that is insane if that is the number he is shooting for.

According to the puckpedia tax calculator, $10.5 million in Boston is the same after tax take home as $9m in Vegas.

That might be the thinking his agent is using to start negotiations with that number.

I doubt he gets $9m from Vegas, but $8m there is pretty close to $9.5m in a market like Boston, which is pretty close to what he should get if he goes UFA.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

According to the puckpedia tax calculator, $10.5 million in Boston is the same after tax take home as $9m in Vegas.

That might be the thinking his agent is using to start negotiations with that number.

I doubt he gets $9m from Vegas, but $8m there is pretty close to $9.5m in a market like Boston, which is pretty close to what he should get if he goes UFA.

Vegas pays Pietrangelo $8.8. If Rasmus is his replacement, they simply offer that.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

I think we can all agree he is the master of panic moves when he is in trouble (like overpaying Huberdeau sight unseen). I think that he’s gonna be in the position this summer unless the leafs somehow make some noise in the playoffs, and I can see him panicking in free agency.

I don't think he's made one above average move in Toronto, and I'm someone who views Treleving's time in Calgary as overall positive, minus his last (panicked) year.

He should have taken a year or two off to get his head straight before jumping back into the GM role--especially going into a win now market like TO.

[VilleN]

I think this trade is good given what the Flames are doing. Subtracting Andersson and adding Whitecloud is a pretty big net loss for the Flames in terms projecting on-ice results. We're very likely to lose more games now because of it - which IMO is the biggest win from this trade. I think it all but guarantees us a top-3 pick in this up-coming draft, and probably in 2027 as well. The 1st rounder, 2nd rounder, and Wiebe will be very helpful in our rebuild, whether we actually use these assets, or flip them for others. I think likely Kadri and/or Coleman will be traded either this season, or at the draft. We're going to be loaded up with draft capital, which should put us in an excellent position for our rebuild. We're probably looking at the next 3 drafts picking very high, and having multiple extra picks to play with -and I would guess we're probably looking at the 2029/2030 season where we should be in our true contention window, with 2028/2029 looking similar to maybe how the Sharks are looking right now - I expect next year they will take a major jump forward.

[shutout]

Realize I will be in the small minority but I do not think that Andersson signs until the summer. I think that he and his camp truly believe that he is a high $9M+ player and that they will get that contract in an open market bid.

I have the feeling that the Bruins were never going to get to $9M with him on a contract and that his camp came to the realization that they were probably not going to get $9M from any team that is willing to trade for him now but needed an extension.

I think that this move to Vegas gives him the best chance to showcase his abilities for the next contract, and I think that he is going to find himself in the same situation as Gaudreau. Teams will want to sign him but nobody is going to give him the money he thinks that he is worth at this point in time.

[shutout]

I think that you have to at least see what teams are going to give up for Whitecloud, but like Kadri you have some time and if they are not going to give up enough now than you can hold onto him.

I just have a hard time seeing all of these teams that were after Andersson not still having a need for a solid top four right handed defenseman. Especially one with two more years on his contract.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Andersson wants to go to free agency. It doesn't matter what Boston, Calgary or Vegas or whoever else want to do. He has the right to explore and maximize his last pro contract and not do the team or anyone a solid. It seemed pretty clear to me that he was extremely unlikely to extend from the beginning of this saga a year ago. You have to have the entire Flames franchise dialed into not letting this happen and moving guys that are unlikely to resign way ahead of time.

If Flames ownership would stop messing around and worrying about squeaking into the playoffs once every 3 years as the bar for success, Conroy might actually be able to make another hockey trade for someone with contractual value remaining again.

I'm not paying more than rental prices for guys like Andersson if they aren't under contract if I'm a GM of another team, so what is Conroy really supposed to do? He got a pretty good deadline return for a rental. Move on and hope the team slides the rest of the way to improve the lottery odds.

How many UFAs have to get moved for futures, cap space carried without additions, and trade deadlines come without adds do we need to see before people stop walking this stuff out.

You can always argue they should have traded a player sooner or later? That's 100% legit. They have a view of the market and they are either right or wrong.

But to watch the last 3 years of Flames action and in action and think they're trying to get to the mushy middle or a playoffs spot is head in the sand stuff to me.

[RedHot25]

Sorry if already covered, this thread is a behemoth, but apparently the Flames are already fielding calls on Whitecloud from other GMs. As per the radio right now.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

From Gemini - YouTube summary of the 32 thoughts podcast on the other offers out here:

He also says that heard that Detroit was not going to trade Donaldson at all.

Is Lohrei + 27 1st better than what we got from VGS? If so, not much

[dino7c]

Brad Marchand was traded for a condition second...not sure how anyone can call this a face plant judging by its actual merits and not on emotions of false rumors

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

Sorry if already covered, this thread is a behemoth, but apparently the Flames are already fielding calls on Whitecloud from other GMs. As per the radio right now.

"Sorry, Maloney says I have to keep him."

[dino7c]

Just curious...would anyone want the Flames to give Ras 9Mx7 this summer?

I wouldn't

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Just curious...would anyone want the Flames to give Ras 9Mx7 this summer?

I wouldn't

I would be fine with it if we traded Weegar .

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

Sorry if already covered, this thread is a behemoth, but apparently the Flames are already fielding calls on Whitecloud from other GMs. As per the radio right now.

They have the value of RD nailed downright now. They can just talk to the same teams haha

[dino7c]

Everyone so certain these are high picks...at least the Oilers aren't getting past round 2. I'm not sure if I have that much faith in Vegas who have one more regulation win than the Flames do.

Marner winning the cup his first season in Vegas does seem very Leafs though.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Is Lohrei + 27 1st better than what we got from VGS? If so, not much

No this is better than Lohrei + 27 1st (likely FLA).

I think Lohrei + 27 1st + Poitras is probably pretty equal in terms of value to what they ended up getting from Vegas, but just more exciting because it's younger pieces instead of being more pick heavy + a veteran.

27 1st = 27 1st
Lohrei + Poitras = 2nd (that could become a 1st) + Whitecloud

Originally Posted by dino7c

Everyone so certain these are high picks...at least the Oilers aren't getting past round 2. I'm not sure if I have that much faith in Vegas who have one more regulation win than the Flames do.

Marner winning the cup his first season in Vegas does seem very Leafs though.

Vegas losing in the finals would be the most Flames outcome though.

Pushes the 1st this year to 31 OV, and then means the 2nd in 2028 doesn't upgrade to a 1st.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Just curious...would anyone want the Flames to give Ras 9Mx7 this summer?

I wouldn't

NO. To me he was always polarizing. Could make the dumbest possible mistakes on ice, then score a pretty goal through a crowd. Too slow on the blue line on the PP and too often let pucks past him...then, he'd cream someone in the corner or block a shot.


Sad reality....that's probably market price though.

[Beninho]

I expected a bit more but happy with the first and a potential other first. Not gonna over analyze it to death, glad its out of the way and the Flames can move on to other business

[Enoch Root]

I agree that 27 1st + Lohrei + Poitras would be similar, or a little better than the VGS return.

But the difference isn't meltdown-worthy, like some suggest.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Brad Marchand was traded for a condition second...not sure how anyone can call this a face plant judging by its actual merits and not on emotions of false rumors

I heard Marchand forced them to trade him there and they accommodated him.


You can’t use that as a comparison