[Trade] Andersson (50% retained) to Vegas for 27 1st, cond 28 2nd, Whitecloud, Wiebe

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Interesting though, I wonder would people have preferred the joked about Ihs-Wozniak + 2nd return?

I am on the fence. Ihs-Wozniak is potentially better than any piece we acquired. Yeah we got a 1st, but is that late 1st better than Ihs-Wozniak? I really don't know.

Would you trade Vegas' 1st Round pick this year or next year back to them for Ihs-Wozniak?


Would you trade Matvei Gridin Cullen Potter for him?

[#-3]

One other think I do like about this similar to the other trade with Vegas, is Conroy is taking a swing a black swan even happening, had Vegas been bad this year, the pick was unprotected.

If Vegas wins the cup this year, and then finishes bottom 10 next year, as I understand it we have their '28 and '29 1st unprotected with a chance that they could be very high picks.

The other thing I like, If I have my pencil in and guess what the 2027/28 team looks like, I'd guess;

• 3 of 4 - Veterans: Sharangovich, Frost, Pospisil, Huberdeau
• 3 of 5 - 25 and under NHLers: Coronato, Zary, Farabee, Beecher, Klapka
• 4 of 12 - Prospects: Gridin, Honzek, Battaglia, Stromgren, Basha, Misa, Reschney, Potter, Stockselius, Wyttenbach, Suniev, 2026+/-3rdOA
• 2 guys not currently with the organization, or dark horse prospects.

• 2 of 5 Veterans - Weegar, Bahl, Whitecloud, Bean, Pachal
• 3 of 3 Rookies - Brzustewicz, Parekh, Kuznetsoz
• 1 guy not currently signed (ex.Mews), or outside...? (maybe Wiebe )

And obviously Goaltending looks like to should be a stable situation.

This team 2 years from now, should be very young and rapidly improving team, but also quickly starting to exit ELCs and enter into NHL contracts. The big glaring hole on that list still be Center.

Injecting a team like that with a couple of high draft picks is exactly where you want to be, both from a cap management side and continuing to push the players who will then be in their early 20s to continue getting better, or just giving you the assets to trade and bolster the team. So taking a swing that you'll be getting better and the other team will be getting worse 2 years from now, can be the right kind of move if if the prospect cupboards are already stocked.

Sometimes taking even value trades over and over again is the path back to second place in the division and a second round exit. While looking for opportunities to hit home runs if 2-3 things go your way can really have an impact on the organization. Markstrom is the perfect example, Wolf, Bahl and Reschney are all making that trade look like a smarter and smarter move in retrospect, it wasn't obviously the Flame hit a home run, but they already had Markstroms replacement in the organization, the player has played better than we thought he would, and the pick is rounding out well.

With the pretty limited trad bait remaining at the moment, Coleman, Kadri, Whitecould? If that are grabbing I think they are at a point that continuing to look for 27 / 28 picks is the way to go right now.

[taxbuster]

Honestly surprised at some of the CPers who voted FacePlant, many of whom I’d consider as quite level-headed usually. Maybe just initial reactions and generally pissed that it was VGK? Would anyone change their vote now if they could?

[Muta]

I've had some time to simmer, and honestly, I think we did the best we likely could have given the circumstances. Conroy is still, in many ways, cleaning up BT's messes, and if Andersson didn't want to extend with anyone right now, that's his right. My hope is that Andersson pulls a Lindholm and bails on the team he's traded to... Vegas deserves it.

I'm happy this is done: I'm happy we potentially have a first and a second pick (maybe even potentially two firsts), a prospect (playing with Reschny no less) and a quality defenseman would could be flipped for another pick or two. I'm also happy that we have had Yan Kuznetsov turn into an NHL defenseman this year right before our eyes, which eases the sting on the Andersson front too.

We now have 16 picks in the next two drafts, the additional ones all coming in the first three rounds, and this is without any of Coleman/Kadri/Hanley/Lomberg/Whitecloud moved yet. And the Flames' scouts over the last couple years have been seriously impressive with their line of work.

I was angry yesterday, but now I'm not. I feel surprisingly optimistic only hours later.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Honestly surprised at some of the CPers who voted FacePlant, many of whom I’d consider as quite level-headed usually. Maybe just initial reactions and generally pissed that it was VGK? Would anyone change their vote now if they could?

I suspect a lot of people consider it a face plant because most could see the playoff run attempt was foolish and the time to trade Andersson was last season before Vegas could soft tamper (again).

I don’t think it’s a face plant, they got their ask, but it feels like a bit of a loss since they seemingly lost out on better offers because Vegas had a known inside track. They also seem to have had a naive attitude that player/agent would honour their word and play ball in their “mutual best interest”. They should have learned that lesson by now.

Just feels like Conroy is gonna get pressured to overpay on second tier UFAs in 2027 to be competitive in the new arena, we’ll miss out on elite draft picks, and we’ll be back to 6th to 9th place and going nowhere.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

I suspect a lot of people consider it a face plant because most could see the playoff run attempt was foolish and the time to trade Andersson was last season before Vegas could soft tamper (again).

He had a pretty rotten season last year. I don't think his value was as high then as it was now.

[GioforPM]

Vegas is at $98M already for next season, and has 10 FAs to extend or cut loose (including Rasmus). They only have 5 d-men signed and one of them doesn't play any more. They probably will throw Pietrangelo on season ending LTIR again, so they will give them some cap relief. But they simply may not be able to afford Andersson.

[Claes]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

… would you say the same thing to an employee of a company who wasn’t an pro athlete? This is a terrible take.

I was not suggesting that Rasmus should feel this way towards his old employer, just that he might have feelings of loyalty after a decade long relationship.

[Johnny Makarov]

Like in what world would a team offer Rasmus $10.5 million/per??!! that is insane if that is the number he is shooting for.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Like in what world would a team offer Rasmus $10.5 million/per??!! that is insane if that is the number he is shooting for.

There’s usually one crazy GM

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Bonded

There’s usually one crazy GM

Please be Edmonton!!!

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Like in what world would a team offer Rasmus $10.5 million/per??!! that is insane if that is the number he is shooting for.

I could see Treliving pull that. I suspect his Vegas price is under $9m though. It’s probably $9-10m for Calgary, maybe more for the markets with 50%+ highest marginal tax rate.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Like in what world would a team offer Rasmus $10.5 million/per??!! that is insane if that is the number he is shooting for.

In the world where Chychrun makes 9 and the cap is rising.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Like in what world would a team offer Rasmus $10.5 million/per??!! that is insane if that is the number he is shooting for.

I bet his AAV comes in way lower because it'll be with Vegas whenever it happens.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

I could see Treliving pull that. I suspect his Vegas price is under $9m though. It’s probably $9-10m for Calgary, maybe more for the markets with 50%+ highest marginal tax rate.

Treliving has only paid giant salaries a couple times - Huberdeau is the only really big mistake as far as that goes. His mistakes are in what he spends to make his trade moves. And some would argue underpaying RFAs.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Vegas is at $98M already for next season, and has 10 FAs to extend or cut loose (including Rasmus). They only have 5 d-men signed and one of them doesn't play any more. They probably will throw Pietrangelo on season ending LTIR again, so they will give them some cap relief. But they simply may not be able to afford Andersson.

They also have RFAs Dorofeyev and Schmid to re-sign, who both should be getting raises.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I would like to think Rasmus was sincere that he wants to see FA play out. I don't blame him for feeling that way, with the exception if Boston gave him an offer he couldn't refuse. Hopefully it isn't Vegas for 8x7.5 or something.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I think my favorite part of this trade is that it's over with.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Treliving has only paid giant salaries a couple times - Huberdeau is the only really big mistake as far as that goes. His mistakes are in what he spends to make his trade moves. And some would argue underpaying RFAs.

I think we can all agree he is the master of panic moves when he is in trouble (like overpaying Huberdeau sight unseen). I think that he’s gonna be in the position this summer unless the leafs somehow make some noise in the playoffs, and I can see him panicking in free agency.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

They also have RFAs Dorofeyev and Schmid to re-sign, who both should be getting raises.

Yes, when I said FAs I included RFAs. They will have to drop salaries somehow. Which is pretty incredible given the cap these days.

Eichel's contract may sour - it doesn't even kick in until next year when he's 30. Marner will be on year two of 8x$10M at age 29. They still have to pay Stone (though who knows how much he will be on LTIR).

If Pietrangelo doesn't play they have 4 NHL DMen under contract for next year who can actually be on the ice. They need Rasmus, but they can't pay him much.