[Trade] Andersson (50% retained) to Vegas for 27 1st, cond 28 2nd, Whitecloud, Wiebe

[Roko]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Now we are changing our tune hoping the Hanifin pick becomes pick 32 so we can get an extra 1st which would make the Hanifin deal weaker.

Im still hoping Vegas crumbles this year in this weird year and misses the playoffs or gets booted round 1. I’d rather an impact player now even if it sacrifices a first in 2 years.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I hope we've learned that lesson, don't hold onto these guys just because they're "good people" because at the end of the day you have a business to run and a team to make better. The balls in Craig's court with at least 2 more guys garnering significant interest, arguably Coleman having more value now than Kadri for the time being. But the time is now, both guys have a bit more term but lets get maximum value now at a time where we should be pressing the "re-se_..biggle button" and building for the future.

Fans certainly have learned but has the organization? It's been a trend dating back to Treliving to leave contract negotiations and trades to the expiry year.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roko

Im still hoping Vegas crumbles this year in this weird year and misses the playoffs or gets booted round 1. I’d rather an impact player now even if it sacrifices a first in 2 years.

I would be totally fine with Vegas winning the cup. We get the extra 1st and another year without a cup in Edmonton.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

People keep saying this was good value for a rental. Let's be honest here, this is not a rental, we all know Andersson has every intention of signing there. We just didn't get the extra return for it being done on our side.

In the past Calgary has paid a 1st and two 2nds for RHS dmen that were signed. This is not far from that at all, so even if Ras signs in Vegas, the return is fine.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

If we bottom out the rest of this season, land a top 5 pick next year in 2027, i see our rebuild finishing by the end of next year.

Top 6 Forwards:
Reschny
Potter
Gridin
Coronato
Outside chances of Wyttenbach, Basha, Honzek.

Defence:
Parekh
Bruz
Kuz
Outside chances of Mews, Morin

Goalies
Wolf
Cooley

Our goaltending is already set for year to come. Adding four more first round players in 2026 and 2027 adds to potential top 6 players. We are rounding out quite nicely and Conroy has done an exceptional job in stockpiling the cupboard. One or two more defenceman would do Calgary wonders, along with adding a top drafted centre either this year or next.

Looks like a solid supporting cast up front but we definitely need to hit a superstar or 2 in these next couple drafts or the future won't be so bright.
It is tank or bust time

[Roof-Daddy]

A good return for a rental is a 1st and a B level prospect IMO.

Add a 2nd rounder and it's a pretty good rental deal. Conroy was smart though IMO. Since adding Rasmus to the Knights clearly stands a chance of hurting our draft position with their 1st rounder this year he made sure If it helps them all the way to winning a cup then we get an upgrade from the 2nd to another 1st.

Getting Whitecloud makes it even better. He's not a cap dump, hes an NHL dman on an appropriate contract and has value as well.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Fans certainly have learned but has the organization? It's been a trend dating back to Treliving to leave contract negotiations and trades to the expiry year.

It’s a trend for pretty much every team (and every team including Calgary has exceptions).

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Not sure why trading Rasmus last season would have been materially different. Don’t all the same contract restrictions apply? Doesn’t he still have the choice of extending or not? What do people think would have been realistically different?

If I look at the Hughes deal as a comp (a much better player, sorry ras I love you), then maybe we get a small upgrade on the prospect? Otherwise it wasn’t going to be much different. You were never getting someone’s recent top 10 first rounder who cracked the team.

[1991 Canadian]

-I still have some curiosity/delusions about the "what if the Flames traded Andersson last year", but these type of trades aren't as much of a boost as I thought. The Ottawa Senators acquired Jackob Chychrun from the Arizona Coyotes for a 1st and two 2nds. The Flames acquired Hamonic for a 1st and two 2nds. These good player with locked in medium term dollars don't go for that much of a premium over deadline rentals.

-Generally agree with the sentiment that we need to wait for the conditions and a potential Whitecloud trade to evaluate. If one of the picks really land, could be fun to look back on the Baertschi > Andersson > Future Flame trade tree.

-Frustrated its Vegas. I guess I'm cheering for them to win the Cup as a 2028 1st + 2016 32nd overall is better than a 20ish 2026 1st and 2028 2nd. The Vegas core will all be 30+ by the time the 2027-28 season rolls around. I'm sure Conroy and the brain trust did the math that the Vegas pick was like to be 25+ anyways.

-There is definitely an element of frustration looking back at the 2014-2024 era of the Flames. So many good players. The Flames have gotten good asset value back overall, but I'm struggling to find a team that has had and traded for this many 1sts in a short burst.

-The Flames still have positive trade vet value in Kadri, Coleman, Pachal, and now Whitecloud. Will be interested to see what they do with these players. Looking forward to watching Whitecloud more closely. Physical RHD always seem to go for good deadline prices. Rough on the player, but ideally the Flames can flip him.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

People keep saying this was good value for a rental. Let's be honest here, this is not a rental, we all know Andersson has every intention of signing there. We just didn't get the extra return for it being done on our side.

But it takes two to tango.

And Rasmus isn't much more than a 2nd pairing guy. He's pretty weak defensively and he isn't a offensive wiz either.

Vegas might not value him at what he values himself. He's not a replacement for Pietrangelo, more of a knock off version.

There is a significant amount of jumping to conclusions going on.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

In the past Calgary has paid a 1st and two 2nds for RHS dmen that were signed. This is not far from that at all, so even if Ras signs in Vegas, the return is fine.

Lazy analysis. We have a cup contending team trading a 1st and 2nd vs the Flames doing it twice the first with known picks in the middle of the rounds and the other with unprotected picks and the trade coming after a playoff sweep and one year removed from a bottom 5 finish.

Not all 1sts and 2nds are equal.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

If we bottom out the rest of this season, land a top 5 pick next year in 2027, i see our rebuild finishing by the end of next year.

Top 6 Forwards:
Reschny
Potter
Gridin
Coronato
Outside chances of Wyttenbach, Basha, Honzek.

Defence:
Parekh
Bruz
Kuz
Outside chances of Mews, Morin

Goalies
Wolf
Cooley

Our goaltending is already set for year to come. Adding four more first round players in 2026 and 2027 adds to potential top 6 players. We are rounding out quite nicely and Conroy has done an exceptional job in stockpiling the cupboard. One or two more defenceman would do Calgary wonders, along with adding a top drafted centre either this year or next.

You are assuming that we hit elite players in the next two years, and that all of the prospects you mention hit their ceiling. That's not likely to happen.

Our rebuild isn't close to ending, or at least we have no idea if its close.

It's off to a great start now.

[Steve's Stick]

I don't want to take an overly negative position, but the problem with the logic of "for a rental" is that this is Vegas... and this is likely not a rental - everyone knows it, and we have to take the loss in value because of the position the player and opposing team have put us.

Vegas has now have plausibly tampered with Pietrangelo, Hanifin, Marner, and Andersson.

The league won't do anything about it; just sucks that we got hit twice with it.

Not that it matters, but let's hope that the Knights get knocked-out in the first round this year: I'd rather take 10 spots in this draft over 32 in 2028.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

People keep saying this was good value for a rental. Let's be honest here, this is not a rental, we all know Andersson has every intention of signing there. We just didn't get the extra return for it being done on our side.

But if it's known a player will sign with only one team, that team will pay rental prices.

Why would they pay more?

They will simply compete with other teams paying rental prices.

Especially when it seems many teams pulled out entirely once it was known Andersson would not sign an extension.

Why yell at the clouds when Conroy has zero control over that?

[Royle9]

I will add that I'm never mad at acquiring 1st and 2nd round picks, I trust the scouting staff more than ever the last few years and giving them more bullets is never a bad thing.

But for the #1 target on the trade bait board, and arguably the best defenseman available... meh.

Yes, his reluctance to sign an extension is what burned us in the trade, I understand that completely.
But that's Calgary's fault, not Anderssons.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Lazy analysis. We have a cup contending team trading a 1st and 2nd vs the Flames doing it twice the first with known picks in the middle of the rounds and the other with unprotected picks and the trade coming after a playoff sweep and one year removed from a bottom 5 finish.

Not all 1sts and 2nds are equal.

Flames can't control who their trading partners are. Even the Bruins were not putting up the Leafs pick if Ras signed an extension. Once Ras said he wasn't signing an extension, no one with a pick from 10-20 was going to trade for him.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

People keep saying this was good value for a rental. Let's be honest here, this is not a rental, we all know Andersson has every intention of signing there. We just didn't get the extra return for it being done on our side.

But, the reality is, he didn't sign and I don't see why he would, even if he does want to be in Las Vegas. With the cap increasing like it is, the 8th year doesn't mean as much.
I've said it before, why weaken the team you want to be with more by increasing your value when you are this close to UFA.
So
It is a rental trade and a first plus a second plus a decent roster player/trade deadline asset and a prospect (granted, not a blue chip but a wildcard none the less) is a pretty decent return.
When you consider his value last year (with how he was playing), I doubt you could have done much better.

[Roko]

At the end of the day, thanks Rasmus for the time as a flame. #### you Vegas. But also and even more so, #### you Claude Lemieux

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I will add that I'm never mad at acquiring 1st and 2nd round picks, I trust the scouting staff more than ever the last few years and giving them more bullets is never a bad thing.

But for the #1 target on the trade bait board, and arguably the best defenseman available... meh.

Yes, his reluctance to sign an extension is what burned us in the trade, I understand that completely.
But that's Calgary's fault, not Anderssons.

Well, if you believe Francis, he wouldn’t give Conroy a number to re-sign here. It’s clear that he either wanted to test free agency, or was pissed about being traded.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Steve's Stick

I don't want to take an overly negative position, but the problem with the logic of "for a rental" is that this is Vegas... and this is likely not a rental - everyone knows it, and we have to take the loss in value because of the position the player and opposing team have put us.

Vegas has now have plausibly tampered with Pietrangelo, Hanifin, Marner, and Andersson.

The league won't do anything about it; just sucks that we got hit twice with it.

Not that it matters, but let's hope that the Knights get knocked-out in the first round this year: I'd rather take 10 spots in this draft over 32 in 2028.

I don’t think there’s much reason to think this was tampering. Vegas is just confident they can make a deal. Calgary did the same with Huberdeau and Weegar.