[Trade] Andersson (50% retained) to Vegas for 27 1st, cond 28 2nd, Whitecloud, Wiebe

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Let's be honest, it is a garbage return and people have the right to be angry. And question this management group after this disaster.

It isn't a garbage return though

at the beginning of the process, over a year ago, if anyone said a 1st + 2nd that can become a 1st + NHL player, almost everyone would agree that would be a very good return.

Last year, this year, at the deadline, whenever

[Monahammer]

To me this is more evidence that we shouldn't treat the players as anything more than assets for the franchise when it comes to their contracts. Treat them well while they are here but their contract isnt them and we should flex our willpower as much as we let them flex theirs.

[browntrout]

So wait a minute if Vegas wins the cup this year, finishes bottom 10 in 2027, Calgary already gets their 2028 1st round pick, what compensation are they getting for losing the 2027 1st round pick, is it getting deferred to 2029

[really?]

Originally Posted by Baaarrden

Does Ras get booed when he returns to Calgary because he screwed us?

I don’t see how the player jobbed the team. Is he supposed to sign a deal he doesn’t like in a place he doesn’t want to play. It’s an expected return when you don’t get ahead of a situation. IMO it’s reasonable to look at management and shake your head, but the player only gets one shot at this situation.

A meh return, which you would expect when you function reactively instead of proactively. I thought they had learned something from Hanifin…..

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Baaarrden

Still no centre is perhaps the most upsetting

Not even a Forward. Whatever. Looking forward to the draft now.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

He should have been moved at the 2024 draft.

He had the weird exit interview that year where he was unhappy, I heard he was unhappy with the direction and was open to a deal then, but the organization thought the d core would be too thin without him.

Letting it get to this point gave him all the control and he choose to use it.

In the end this is a good return under the circumstances, but we had to leave better offers on the table because the player held the power

Do you really think he would have returned much more then?

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yup, it’s what some people desperately wanted. It’s too bad Andersson wouldn’t negotiate with other teams that pretty much locked them into a deadline return.

Yup lots of shared blame to go around here. Management. The player. Carney.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Remember when I said I was afraid Conroy would take less to get it done before the Olympic break? That's exactly what happened. The other teams wanted access to talk extension and Andersson was having none of it. So Conroy got gun shy about holding the asset any longer and Andersson pretty much shoe horned him into dealing with Vegas. It's tough being a Flames fan

Ridiculous, Craig needed to do his damn job last year and move him at the deadline instead of this magical push for playoffs when you’re a garbage team. Days like this it is embarrassing to be a Flames fan.

[AC]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman on 960 says on Sunday that Andersson indicated that he would not sign an extension with any team at this time once that happened the pendulum swung to the Knights

People here will be mad about that, but it's absolutely the call I would make as a player. Had the Flames allowed it, he could have negotiated with a couple interested teams now, or wait until the summer and listen to every interested team.

This is a massive decision that involves where his 2 young kids will grow up, I can't imagine making that decision under strict limitations and I think it's embarrassing when fans act like it's a selfish decision to do so.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by browntrout

So wait a minute if Vegas wins the cup this year, finishes bottom 10 in 2027, Calgary already gets their 2028 1st round pick, what compensation are they getting for losing the 2027 1st round pick, is it getting deferred to 2029

Must be. that's a good question though

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah I think you look for the equivalence of two first rounders plus a bit more for a small retention.

1st is there.
2nd is there (I'll ignore the could be a first)
serviceable NHL defenseman likely worth a 2nd?
Prospect that I'd assume they like

Are we saying two 2nds and a prospect isn't worth a 1st?

When you factor in that the trade also harms the value of the 1st we already have, I would say that this trade doesn't give the value it should and that is with retention.

The trade condition sucks. It would have been more tolerable if it was just final 4 as that pushes our pick to 28-32 already but the condition means we need to get the worst possible value out of the existing 1st to get another 1st.

It should have been 'anyone but vegas'. Now I hope Andersson never wins a cup.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Wiebe was ranked #8 in the Athletic summary of their prospects from this summer.

Highlights
- Was drafted as an overager
- Won the Top 3 award in the BCHL
- Big with a shot that is a weapon from the point on the PP
- Good first pass
- Some "pro quality there"

That's about it.

Probably saw them when they watched Raschny

A real long shot but it’s something

[saillias]

I really dislike the Whitecloud thing more than anything. The player is unneeded, the contract a hindrance. You already have the last "guy who can play now" from Vegas toiling on your AHL team

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by AC

Yikes, so all that talk about Conroy learning from the Hanifin trade and not making the same mistakes again... and he's stuck making another bad trade?

Their picks aren't as appealing as any of the other teams, their prospects aren't exciting, and their roster players aren't appealing either.

If Andersson wasn't willing to sign an extension, then there's nothing Conroy could do.

I think what makes it even harder these days is that nothing is secret anymore. Andersson and other players hear the same rumours as everyone else. If he prefers to play somewhere like Vegas and knows that they are interested, why would he sign on long term somewhere else if he knows he can probably join them in a few months?

I think for sure teams like Vegas leak the information to insiders in order to influence players. It's basically tampering but with extra steps to launder it enough that nothing can be done about it.

Anyway, I don't think the deal is bad. I could easily see Vegas taking a step back by the end of next season and that 1st becoming mid round pick.

[robertsfanatic]

ok hear me out...they suck this year and we get a better pick, suck next year and get the 10th overall pick which gives us 2028 1st unprotected and win lottery with that pick...easy peasy.

we can also use some of these extra first in trades if something decent becomes available.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by JonDuke

So we got their 2027th first and presumably the 2028 if they win the cup this year.
If they do win the cup but then the 2027 1st ends up being a top 10 and is deferred, do we get the 2029??

That what I was wondering

[howard_the_duck]

The packages being tossed around these past few weeks were wild. It’s inevitable folks were going to be disappointed with the return when names like Misa have been thrown around lol.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm just trying to see who I'm allowed to disagree with without getting called a bully.

Your post post was 100% over the top. It should garner a big reaction, but not sure that's allowed anymore.

Don't use "lets be honest" that's suggesting I need to agree with you or I'm lying.

People always have the right to be angly.

I stand by my comment. It was a garbage trade and should have someone fired, considering what we could have gotten last year.

If you want to defend the trade that is fine. I think it is the worst trade we have made in years, considering what we could have gotten at least years deadline.

[MikePatton]

I saw the thread title and went, hey, that's a good return! Nice!
Open the thread, everyone be angry.
Dang. I am out of touch.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You were one of those suggesting that they needed to trade him now to avoid injury risk of the Olympics and move down the standings.

So this is what it looks like man.

No surprise you are still complaining.

And that a 1st was fine.