Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[GranteedEV]

Question: is ot 49000 chinese EVs, or 49000 EVs imported from china per manifacturer (Byd, Huawei, Xiaomi, etc)?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Question: is ot 49000 chinese EVs, or 49000 EVs imported from china per manifacturer (Byd, Huawei, Xiaomi, etc)?

I believe it’s an annual cap of 49000. There is something about the price point having to be below a certain dollar amount, but I don’t know about specific manufacturers.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Slava

The thing is, it’s people like Danielle Smith who are the problem. Canada already had those vehicles coming here a few years ago, and a bunch of them are Teslas! So they have no real issue, and are just irritating in their opposition.

But the other main point I wanted to make is that these same people who are upset about this and doing a deal with “communist China”, also are rabidly in favour of a pipeline to sell oil to China! Like sure, we can’t trust them enough to buy some cars made there, but we should definitely spend $50b on a pipe to send them resources and we should do that tomorrow. What a great trade policy that is.

My position is that Canada sells too much of our resources at the bottom of the value chain. Whether it's the U.S. To China, the E.U. or anywhere else.

I'm far more concerned with China strategically. This is a country that wants to make everything and only import the few raw goods they can't produce themselves. To them a 5 year plan is how North Americans see quarterly earnings.

I'm under no illusion that Pierre and a Conservative Government would get better deals. We would have caved in to Trump and given him a goose that lays golden eggs if he was in charge. But I am concerned for Canada long term because China is just as happy to colonize us through crippling deals as the U.S. will be by force. We're in a spot where we're deciding which authoritarian we want to make a bad deal with.

[Fuzz]

I think the important part is to not lock into any long term commitments, so we have the flexibility to move away from China if we need to. Same with other countries.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

My position is that Canada sells too much of our resources at the bottom of the value chain. Whether it's the U.S. To China, the E.U. or anywhere else.

I'm far more concerned with China strategically. This is a country that wants to make everything and only import the few raw goods they can't produce themselves. To them a 5 year plan is how North Americans see quarterly earnings.

I'm under no illusion that Pierre and a Conservative Government would get better deals. We would have caved in to Trump and given him a goose that lays golden eggs if he was in charge. But I am concerned for Canada long term because China is just as happy to colonize us through crippling deals as the U.S. will be by force. We're in a spot where we're deciding which authoritarian we want to make a bad deal with.

All deals can be ripped up by all countries as we have learnt that with Trump, so I wouldn't worry about China 'colonizing' us, I should point out we were happy to be utterly colonized by the US, drove their cars, listened to their music, used their spelling and to a large degree their law, specifications etc, it was good for them and good for us, our power is in balancing the rising power against the declining one, our distance from China makes them frankly a safer bet than the US right now

[activeStick]

Power projection is hard and requires a ton of capital and resources to do. Only the Americans are keen to do this given it pays their military industrial complex. I wouldn't be concerned about China colonizing Canada. I'm loving what Carney is doing. Open the trade doors to China and Qatar. Diversify for the good of Canadians and decouple from America. It makes more sense to worry and act on what America has done to hurt us and is doing to hurt us, then worry about what other countries might do to us when they've never done those things to us.

As for the EVs, I'm guessing it'll mostly be just Chinese made vehicles like Tesla, Volvos and others for the first while. The better Chinese cars won't land here right away.

[Fuzz]

https://bsky.app/profile/davidcolett.../3mcrlrlqdky2x



They should probably go into another election with him. Really turning a corner.

[Looch City]

Has PP come out and said anything regarding Greenland yet?

Fully expect him to use some twisting words to agree with Trump without outright saying it lol

[Swift]

To be fair, he has posted this -

"It is unacceptable for the U.S. to seize the territory of a sovereign country, including by threatening tariffs on other NATO countries.

Greenland is part of the Kingdom of Denmark and we support its territorial integrity.

Conservatives support NATO and Canada’s obligations as a NATO member.

Canada should strengthen the NATO alliance and rebuild our own forces in the Arctic to combat threats also coming from China and Russia and to protect our seas, skies and soil."

https://x.com/PierrePoilievre/status...45589571756417

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Swift

To be fair, he has posted this -

"It is unacceptable for the U.S. to seize the territory of a sovereign country, including by threatening tariffs on other NATO countries.

Greenland is part of the Kingdom of Denmark and we support its territorial integrity.

Conservatives support NATO and Canada’s obligations as a NATO member.

Canada should strengthen the NATO alliance and rebuild our own forces in the Arctic to combat threats also coming from China and Russia and to protect our seas, skies and soil."

https://x.com/PierrePoilievre/status...45589571756417

Damn, I didn't know he was capable of adulting

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

All deals can be ripped up by all countries as we have learnt that with Trump, so I wouldn't worry about China 'colonizing' us, I should point out we were happy to be utterly colonized by the US, drove their cars, listened to their music, used their spelling and to a large degree their law, specifications etc, it was good for them and good for us, our power is in balancing the rising power against the declining one, our distance from China makes them frankly a safer bet than the US right now

China is focused on Taiwan, and trying to lessen the US's influence in their backyard. They don't give a crap about colonizing Canada. China's just the convenient non white boogyman that Western powers use to whip up their conservative base into a frenzy.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

China is focused on Taiwan, and trying to lessen the US's influence in their backyard. They don't give a crap about colonizing Canada. China's just the convenient non white boogyman that Western powers use to whip up their conservative base into a frenzy.

What if Canada invaded China first?

Just bombard them with poutine, maple syrup and genuine Montreal smoked meat!

Voyons donc! L'Army des Bonhommes de Neige shall take Shanghai from ze North! Au Sud ze Beavers riding Canada Geese shall engage in Hong Kong! Ze Elk contingent tell me zat zey come down from Mongolia to march upon Beijing!

The rest shall be chain-smoking and drunken rural Quebecois grandpas and hosers! Then...and only then...do we release the Lumberjacks! A veritable Armada of Plaid!

They'd never see it coming...

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

China is focused on Taiwan, and trying to lessen the US's influence in their backyard. They don't give a crap about colonizing Canada. China's just the convenient non white boogyman that Western powers use to whip up their conservative base into a frenzy.

The real irony is for all we go on about China 'invading' Taiwan, unlike Greenland and Canada, Taiwan is and always has been recognized as 'part' of China, for most of the first 30 years of its existence we recognized the nationalist Government as the Government of all of China, after Nixon we all kind of just fudged things but no one has ever seen Taiwan as a separate country

[Monahammer]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/car...eech-9.7052725

The day has come where I am strongly considering sending my kids and wife to switzerland, where they are citizens by virtue of her grandfather.

What is this world.

[Puppet Guy]

Originally Posted by Locke

What if Canada invaded China first?

Just bombard them with poutine, maple syrup and genuine Montreal smoked meat!

Voyons donc! L'Army des Bonhommes de Neige shall take Shanghai from ze North! Au Sud ze Beavers riding Canada Geese shall engage in Hong Kong! Ze Elk contingent tell me zat zey come down from Mongolia to march upon Beijing!

The rest shall be chain-smoking and drunken rural Quebecois grandpas and hosers! Then...and only then...do we release the Lumberjacks! A veritable Armada of Plaid!

They'd never see it coming...

The use of Celine Dion music as a weapon of war qualifies as a WMD I'm sure. But that's a risk I'm willing to take.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://bsky.app/profile/davidcolett.../3mcrlrlqdky2x



They should probably go into another election with him. Really turning a corner.

Unlucky Pierre.

[puffnstuff]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/car...eech-9.7052725

Prime Minister Mark Carney delivered a frank assessment of how he views the world in a provocative speech in Davos, Switzerland, on Tuesday

Key excerpt
Middle powers must act together because if you are not at the table, you are on the menu. Great powers can afford to go it alone. They have the market size, the military capacity, the leverage to dictate terms. Middle powers do not. But when we only negotiate bilaterally with a hegemon, we negotiate from weakness. We accept what is offered. We compete with each other to be the most accommodating. This is not sovereignty. It is the performance of sovereignty while accepting subordination. What would it mean for middle powers to "live in truth"? It means naming reality. Stop invoking the "rules-based international order" as though it still functions as advertised. Call the system what it is: a period where the most powerful pursue their interests using economic integration as a weapon of coercion.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The real irony is for all we go on about China 'invading' Taiwan, unlike Greenland and Canada, Taiwan is and always has been recognized as 'part' of China, for most of the first 30 years of its existence we recognized the nationalist Government as the Government of all of China, after Nixon we all kind of just fudged things but no one has ever seen Taiwan as a separate country

Yes, this is mostly correct (maybe a typo)? After the nationalists (KMT) in China lost the civil war, they retreated from the mainland to Taiwan and in the early 70s, in the Joint Communique, countries agreed that there is a single China, which is on the mainland with the legitimate government being the victors of the civil war, the Chinese communist party. Mainland China also known as the Peoples Republic of China (PRC) is recognized as China in the UN, while Taiwan is known as the ROC (Republic of China). No countries recognized the nationalist government as the government of all of China internationally - they've always recognized the PRC as the government of China since the civil war.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/car...eech-9.7052725

The day has come where I am strongly considering sending my kids and wife to switzerland, where they are citizens by virtue of her grandfather.

What is this world.

Reading that article should make anyone with at least half a brain relieved that Carney and not Poilievre won last spring. There is no way PP possesses even a fraction of the understanding of the world economy and the relationships that make it run like Carney does.

[TherapyforGlencross]

Feels like we really are cutting ties with the US.