Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[curves2000]

The devil is in the details with a deal like this and what type of downside risk protection for Canada there is. I didn't see any major details on anything that would stop China from doing this repeatedly to us with canola or other products again, this time for EV's and other products.

China's business and economic strategy is always nationalism merged with always produce and export more for market share. They are obsessed with having their workers work and are always finding new avenues to do exactly this.

Instead of Canada, the US and other allies like Europe having a unified approach to this level of dominance in a lot of sectors, we get this hodgepodge garbage that ends up looking it's a win for us but in reality it's a win for China, yet again.

Major concern in Europe with EV's and their soon to be dominance in the market with auto producing countries like Germany really feeling the effects amongst other products. Looking back now there is concern with deals done such as the EU pushing to sell key assets such as Greece's prized port, amongst the busiest in the world to China for not even peanuts, crumbs of shells more like it. Now we have EU and US leaders talking about how past deals look unfortunate in hindsight but nobody likes to ask why these decisions were made.

Expect more lopsided deals very soon.

[Slava]

^ This is basically rewinding things back a few years though. It takes the agreements back to 2023 (I think is what Carney said). This isn’t Carney going and completely caving in everything.

And the “new world order” comment is just reality. The US has completely changed the way the world has operated since the end of WWII. That’s fine, and that’s their prerogative. But to think that there isn’t a massive change in the global economy that’s taken place is just naive.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Slava

^ This is basically rewinding things back a few years though. It takes the agreements back to 2023 (I think is what Carney said). This isn’t Carney going and completely caving in everything.

And the “new world order” comment is just reality. The US has completely changed the way the world has operated since the end of WWII. That’s fine, and that’s their prerogative. But to think that there isn’t a massive change in the global economy that’s taken place is just naive.

I’ll believe there’s a new world order when the pipe’s built.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I’ll believe there’s a new world order when the pipe’s built.

Well it’s not only about Canada. It’s about global trade.

[Fuzz]

I wonder if this includes Chinese made swasticars as well, or just ev's from Chinese companies?

[Snuffleupagus]

As someone who always voted PC federally until the Calgary asshat arrived I have to say I like Carney's style

[Slava]

The Globe and Mail says Canada is going to implement a policy where automakers that build cars in Canada will have preferential treatment and access to the Canadian market compared to that that do not. I will say that I don’t love the protectionist and isolationist approach overall, but I do understand that they’re trying to save a lot of jobs and save that entire sector from the US pullout.

I think this is a good policy, or will be, but the devil is in the details.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Slava

The Globe and Mail says Canada is going to implement a policy where automakers that build cars in Canada will have preferential treatment and access to the Canadian market compared to that that do not. I will say that I don’t love the protectionist and isolationist approach overall, but I do understand that they’re trying to save a lot of jobs and save that entire sector from the US pullout.

I think this is a good policy, or will be, but the devil is in the details.

I haven't seen the article yet but do they talk about what preferential treatment and access to the market looks like?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I haven't seen the article yet but do they talk about what preferential treatment and access to the market looks like?

No, they say that this is coming in February and they don’t name their source.

[chemgear]

Are we going to see a bunch of lawsuits? Class action? Federal government want to appeal again to the Supreme Court?


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/con...peal-9.7046769

Federal government loses Emergencies Act appeal, court says use during convoy protest was unreasonable

Federal Court of Appeal upholds decision that protest did not meet threshold of national security threat

The Liberal government unreasonably invoked the Emergencies Act to clear the convoy protests that gridlocked the capital city and border points nearly four years ago, the Federal Court of Appeal ruled on Friday.

In that 2024 decision, Federal Court Justice Richard Mosley, since retired, said the government's decision lacked justification, transparency and intelligibility.

But the appeal court's decision agreed with Mosley's finding that cabinet did not have reasonable grounds to believe that a threat to national security existed and fell short of the legal threshold needed to invoke the act

The Federal Court of Appeal justices were not convinced by the government's argument that a less stringent definition of "threats to the security of Canada" could be inferred when invoking the act.

They also didn't accept Ottawa's reasoning that rendering critical infrastructure unusable amounts to serious violence.
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[surferguy]

Should have just used the notwithstanding clause.

[Looch City]

Truck Convoy 2.0 when??

I'm NOT gonna miss this grift opportunity this time.

#### Trudeau and Carney let's go!!

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Truck Convoy 2.0 when??

I'm NOT gonna miss this grift opportunity this time.

#### Trudeau and Carney let's go!!

We'll know when it's on when DoctorFever stops posting again! hahaha

[Winsor_Pilates]

The Liberals should just remove that judge & any judges who don't agree with them from their positions.
Put in place a court system only in line with the ruling leadership and not having the any independent rule of law.
I've been told by my conservative friends this is the path to a great, free & prosperous nation.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by surferguy

Should have just used the notwithstanding clause.

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

The Liberals should just remove that judge & any judges who don't agree with them from their positions.
Put in place a court system only in line with the ruling leadership and not having the any independent rule of law.
I've been told by my conservative friends this is the path to a great, free & prosperous nation.

For the Alberta blockades they should have just argued that they thought that it was a picket line in a labour dispute. For some reason our provincial government thinks blocking people and vehicles in one form of protest is ok yet they’ve literally passed legislation to outlaw it in another.

Talk about sucking and blowing at the same time.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Slava

^ This is basically rewinding things back a few years though. It takes the agreements back to 2023 (I think is what Carney said). This isn’t Carney going and completely caving in everything.

And the “new world order” comment is just reality. The US has completely changed the way the world has operated since the end of WWII. That’s fine, and that’s their prerogative. But to think that there isn’t a massive change in the global economy that’s taken place is just naive.

Speaking if his new world order comment it has brought out the conspiracy minded crazies who are now going full on”see we told you, the WEF threat has been real all along and now they are finally saying it out loud”.

It’s just so sad a large group of people has become this delusional, This same group of people are basically MAGA folks and are so unable to see that it’s the guy they admire who has caused this global disturbance. Of course the overlap is also almost perfectly aligned with the separatist minded idiots as well.

As for this deal, we can’t just sit around and wait for the benevolancy of the US anymore, those days are over. We have to look after our national economic interests and this appears to do that without a ton of risk.

Heck even Danielle smith supports it although she put a dig in about protecting national security and privacy regarding the ev’s. She should probably have just as much concern or more with Tesla to be honest.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

Speaking if his new world order comment it has brought out the conspiracy minded crazies who are now going full on”see we told you, the WEF threat has been real all along and now they are finally saying it out loud”.

It’s just so sad a large group of people has become this delusional, This same group of people are basically MAGA folks and are so unable to see that it’s the guy they admire who has caused this global disturbance. Of course the overlap is also almost perfectly aligned with the separatist minded idiots as well.

As for this deal, we can’t just sit around and wait for the benevolancy of the US anymore, those days are over. We have to look after our national economic interests and this appears to do that without a ton of risk.

Heck even Danielle smith supports it although she put a dig in about protecting national security and privacy regarding the ev’s. She should probably have just as much concern or more with Tesla to be honest.

The thing is, it’s people like Danielle Smith who are the problem. Canada already had those vehicles coming here a few years ago, and a bunch of them are Teslas! So they have no real issue, and are just irritating in their opposition.

But the other main point I wanted to make is that these same people who are upset about this and doing a deal with “communist China”, also are rabidly in favour of a pipeline to sell oil to China! Like sure, we can’t trust them enough to buy some cars made there, but we should definitely spend $50b on a pipe to send them resources and we should do that tomorrow. What a great trade policy that is.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Slava

But the other main point I wanted to make is that these same people who are upset about this and doing a deal with “communist China”, also are rabidly in favour of a pipeline to sell oil to China! Like sure, we can’t trust them enough to buy some cars made there, but we should definitely spend $50b on a pipe to send them resources and we should do that tomorrow. What a great trade policy that is.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing just yesterday. The Epoch-Times reading loons who go on about Canada falling prey to China's totalitarian global agenda are also furious that Alberta doesn't have more pipeline capacity to ship natural gas to China. Rational, coherent policy has never been their strong suit.

[calgarygeologist]

I wonder if Qatar is going to be stepping up and paying for our new pipeline to the west coast?

Prime Minister Mark Carney says Qatar has committed to "significant strategic investments" for Canada's major building projects.

That capital will get projects built faster, "supercharge" energy industries and create jobs for Canadians, he said during a news conference in Doha, Qatar's capital.

Calling it a "new chapter" in bilateral relations, Carney said the two countries will also strengthen "people-to-people" cultural ties, which will include expanding direct flights from Canada to Qatar to boost tourism and business.

Carney said after years of stalled negotiations, Canada aims to finalize the Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement with Qatar by this summer. Canada will also install a defence attaché in Doha to deepen partnerships on defence.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/car...atar-9.7050314

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Slava

The thing is, it’s people like Danielle Smith who are the problem. Canada already had those vehicles coming here a few years ago, and a bunch of them are Teslas! So they have no real issue, and are just irritating in their opposition.

But the other main point I wanted to make is that these same people who are upset about this and doing a deal with “communist China”, also are rabidly in favour of a pipeline to sell oil to China! Like sure, we can’t trust them enough to buy some cars made there, but we should definitely spend $50b on a pipe to send them resources and we should do that tomorrow. What a great trade policy that is.

I think there are reasons to be for one deal one against another. Importing goods into Canada comes at the expense of manufacturing lowering GDP, exporting goods benefits your GDP. It’s why trade deals trade export capacity for import allowances.

These aren’t the people you are talking about though.