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Old 01-14-2026, 12:27 PM   #20961
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The problem is can you guarantee the Flames are bottom 3 next year?

They are bottom 3 right now and there are 35 games left. NYR could keep falling but most the teams just ahead of the Flames will not be making big rebuilding trades. Winnipeg resigned their best players and normally are a very good team.

35 games left and it's a race between Vancouver, Calgary and St Louis. Other teams IMO just are not going to make massive sell everything moves other than maybe the NYR, but they have a bit of a lead on the Flames and Shesterkin won't be traded when he gets back.
Of course not, just saying that committing to building through the draft and selling assets when you can (Ras this year seems like a guarantee, Coleman before next deadline for sure) will likely end up with the flames in the bottom 5, not to mention the assets brough back in those deals. Reschny looks like a great pick already and he was a mid first.
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Old 01-14-2026, 12:27 PM   #20962
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Frost is in a great position with the Flames for an overpayment. Considering our C depth and our cap structure looking ahead a couple of seasons we are going to be struggling to reach the floor if Kadri is off the books.

Currently we are sitting at $49M, without Kadri that would be $42M.
2026-27 RFAs would need to be signed: Beecher, Stromgren, Poirier, Grushnikov, etc. All pretty small potatoes
2026-27 UFAs would need to be signed or replaced: Lomberg, Kirkland, Bean. Replacing 4th liners and 3rd pair D could come from the farm or the budget bin of UFAs.
2027-28 RFAs: Klapka, Suniev
2027-28 UFAs: Frost, Coleman (gone before then)

Unless Klapka really breaks out and surprises everyone, I think most of those raises will be pretty minor (if we even retain all of these players). Which means we are going to be well below the $83.9M floor.

We could pretty easily give Frost $10M/year and still be looking for ways to add cap to get to the floor. Maybe we give him $13M for shorter term?

Holding on to Huberdeau and Sharangovich's bloated contracts is going to get more and more important over the next few seasons.
I didn't quite understand the $49M figure. Is that a projected cap-hit? For what year?
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Floor	76.9		83.9
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Cap	81.8	        66.6
Space	22.2		47.0
Floor	reached	        17.4
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Cap	74.8		59.6
Floor	2.1		24.4
Flames w.o Kadri+Coleman----
Cap	69.9	        N/A
Floor	7.0		N/A
Looking pretty far into the future, but since you mentioned Klapka, Brz + Kuzy are RFAs that year as well. I could easily see Brzustewicz + Kuznetsov costing over $10M combined in 2027. Since the league minimum would be around $1M, they would need at least another $6M to fill out the rest of the roster, which means they would need to spend about $8M to reach the floor.

You could give Frost $10M, but that doesn't make it a good idea. Paying Frost $10M would be insane. At this point he isn't close to being a #1C, he's a mediocre, rather inconsistent middle 6 C.
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Old 01-14-2026, 12:29 PM   #20963
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I don't think Treliving has done a good job there, but if the media is touting Hamilton, how is that on him?
Bradly likes to use the media to sell his agenda.
He was "in" on Rasmus for seemingly pennies on the dollar just months ago.
Are we really wondering how Brad "in on everything" Treliving manages to have dozens of articles posted about his teams.

Happened in Calgary and now in Toronto, always.
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Old 01-14-2026, 12:32 PM   #20964
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Yeah the wizard is a leaker

After Dougie got traded, there will be a report that the wizard was so close and just missed it by a hair.
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Old 01-14-2026, 12:42 PM   #20965
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Kypreos trade board:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...ouver-canucks/

Nothing really new on the Flames players.

Says the feelers on Kadri have been underwhelming so far.
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Old 01-14-2026, 12:43 PM   #20966
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If it were up to me, Kadri wouldve been gone last deadline, Coleman and Ras gone before the Olympic freeze. Heck Weegar wouldve been gona last deadline too.
Kadri had a full NTC last season so indeed it would not have been "up to you" at all.

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Bradly likes to use the media to sell his agenda.
He was "in" on Rasmus for seemingly pennies on the dollar just months ago.
Are we really wondering how Brad "in on everything" Treliving manages to have dozens of articles posted about his teams.

Happened in Calgary and now in Toronto, always.
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Yeah the wizard is a leaker

After Dougie got traded, there will be a report that the wizard was so close and just missed it by a hair.
When he was here the Flames supposedly never leaked info.
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Old 01-14-2026, 12:44 PM   #20968
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If it were up to me, Kadri wouldve been gone last deadline, Coleman and Ras gone before the Olympic freeze. Heck Weegar wouldve been gona last deadline too.
Pending UFA or close to, trade them, but what do you replace the others with?

We still need to hit the cap floor.

We could do a lot worse than Kadri and Weegar.
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Old 01-14-2026, 12:45 PM   #20969
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Brad Treliving is a fraud.
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Kadri has a full NTC last season so indeed it would not have been "up to you" at all.
I thought it moved to a limited NTC this year?
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Old 01-14-2026, 12:57 PM   #20971
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Brad Treliving is a fraud.
I think that he's the perfect GM for TOR.

On a more serious note, I think that he did a lot of good in Calgary, in terms of improving the drafting, development, and the skills coaches that surround the team. His pro scouting was definitely lacking, trying to plug in square pegs into round holes. The coaching selections were also disappointing.
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Old 01-14-2026, 01:09 PM   #20972
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Says the feelers on Kadri have been underwhelming so far.
No point in dumping him if the offers aren’t good. A trade could always happen in the offseason and I could see teams being leery of his contract
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Old 01-14-2026, 01:15 PM   #20973
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I think that he's the perfect GM for TOR.

On a more serious note, I think that he did a lot of good in Calgary, in terms of improving the drafting, development, and the skills coaches that surround the team. His pro scouting was definitely lacking, trying to plug in square pegs into round holes. The coaching selections were also disappointing.

He started off well. Then he thought he had to go for it after beating Vancouver in round 1 in 2015 and he kept creating weaknesses in one area to fill holes in other areas. He wasn't patient enough to build enough depth in prospects and kept himself behind the 8 ball.


Now he is in Toronto and he is put into the same kind of situation and even repeated a big mistake in TO that he did in CGY - he let his top scoring winger walk away for nothing... okay, okay. He got Nicolas Roy for Marner but can you imagine what he could have done had he decided to make the move mid season? Was he working on that as an option or just ignoring it and hoping everything will turn out in the end? Looking at the Salary Cap situation he should have had enough foresight to know he had to make a tough choice and salvage a very valuable asset. He didn't and got pennies on the dollars.


He was lucky enough that VGK was willing to give something away for Marner.... and also that VGK needed to create cap space to sign Marner.


I wonder if he didn't cave to the pressure to quickly turn the Flames from building to competing in 2015 or 2016 if things would have turned out better for GM and how most of us view him.
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Old 01-14-2026, 01:16 PM   #20974
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35 years old 7m cap hit for 3.5 more seasons. Moving Kadri was always gonna be a tough deal to make.
Add to that a partial NTC and the unknown willingness by the Flames to retain anything on his contract.

I'm indifferent on a Kadri trade. I'm not bothered either way. Our bed was made when he was signed.
Unless Kadri wants out I don't think he's leaving.
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Old 01-14-2026, 01:18 PM   #20975
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I love how this thread goes in circles... I guess its time we talk about Treliving again haha
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I just don't get how it went from "Kadri would return a lot" to not being worth anything all because of a bad 10 game stretch.

I thought GMs didn't overreact to game by game results.
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Old 01-14-2026, 01:24 PM   #20977
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I love how this thread goes in circles... I guess its time we talk about Treliving again haha
Really? It's pages and pages of 'This message is hidden because...' posts for me.
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I just don't get how it went from "Kadri would return a lot" to not being worth anything all because of a bad 10 game stretch.

I thought GMs didn't overreact to game by game results.
It's not the GMs that are over-reacting here, it's fans.
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Top 3 in the draft would be great but trading Andersson almost ensures the Flames will be in the lottery for at least the next 2 years after this one imo. There will be other chances to get a franchise level forward and other very good players in this drafts top 10. I won't lose sleep over the Flames picking 6-10, history is always against this franchise with the lottery balls too so can't rely on those.
If luck can somehow shine on Calgary and they end up with a top 3 this year, going into next year, with a pool of:

Parekh, Wolf, Reschny and one of Stenberg/McKenna/Verhoeff plus a top 3 in 2027 is a fantastic looking core. Plus the Flames seem to have depth in spades.
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I love how this thread goes in circles... I guess its time we talk about Treliving again haha
I think we've all got the same things on our minds.....tank....trade players....occasionally poke fun at the person who put the Flames in this situation.


The rumors on Andersson are all leaking...likely, at least in part, purposely to drive up a bidding war. We've all got the same anxious thoughts. Expect the cycle to continue until something gets done.
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