2025/2026 Season Trade Rumours and Speculation Thread

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by saillias

Blake Coleman has been in contact with a north Dallas real estate agent since Dec 15 or so.

To be clear players can window shop or build or buy a house wherever they want without it meaning anything. But the timing + he has specifically been linked to that team

If he is ready to move to Dallas and the Stars are ready to pay for him then, hurray!

I think Coleman with 50% retention (on this year and next) is worth a late 1st. Or maybe the Flames add a pick to get Bischel off of their LTIR instead.

[MolsonInBothHands]

I thought Coleman held on to his house in Dallas, the one he gave a tour of with the secret door to a workout room and trophy case.

[topfiverecords]

Coleman's are selling their Dallas house because he's about to sign a 6 year extension here. Going to get something smaller for the off seasons.

[jmac98]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

I thought Coleman held on to his house in Dallas, the one he gave a tour of with the secret door to a workout room and trophy case.

Ya, that’s just his garage.

-every husband

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Wolven

If he is ready to move to Dallas and the Stars are ready to pay for him then, hurray!

I think Coleman with 50% retention (on this year and next) is worth a late 1st. Or maybe the Flames add a pick to get Bischel off of their LTIR instead.

I think Dallas’ need to more at RHS D. Andersson would fit like a glove. Not too sure they have the assets to acquire both. They’d almost half to empty the tank.

Andersson & Coleman

2026 2nd, 2026 3rd (Seattle), 2027 1st, Bishel + prospect?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

His timeline is interesting too. The rebuild apparently started in 2022 when they traded Burns. He says that it did not work in Buffalo because they did desperate to win stuff too early. The sharks did the following after Burns was traded in July 2022 that is definitely not desperate let’s try to win now stuff

July 2024 - sign Toffoli to a 4 year 6 million dollar a year deal
July 2024 - sign Wennberg yo a 2 year 5 million dollar a year deal
June 2024 - claim Goodrow off waivers to pick up the last 3 years of his deal at 3.64 million a year
October 2024 - trade a 3rd and a 6th for Liljegren.

Seems to me they did a lot of desperate win now moves in 2024. Have to see if it works out for them, the Sharks are not in a playoff spot right now.

Those weren't win now moves, and the Sharks weren't going for it. After all those signings the Sharks were $11.3M under the cap going into the season, with Pavelski($8M) being done, Vlasik($7M) as the 7th D, and $7.3M of dead cap space in the Burns, Karlsson, and Hertl retentions combined with the Jones buyout. They essentially had a $54.4M roster in mostly capped out league with a cap of $88.0M.

Those moves were made in order to have a couple of good vets around to guide the rebuild. And help insulate and play with Celebrini, Smith, and Eklund. SJ still relied on the kids in key offensive situations, and used them to run the PP.

[Sylvanfan]

Yeah, the idea that you can condense the Sharks 4 years of being terrible into one year misses the point that them being that bad allowed them to draft Eklund 7th and Smith at 4 before they got Celebrini. Plus if they didn't win the lottery to get Celebrini...where are the Sharks today?

The more likely scenario in my useless opinion is that Anderson likely moves this year, Coleman next year, and Kadri maybe by the Summer of 2027. Even with the anticipation of an expanding upper limit, there still are not many deals being made for older guys with term left on their contracts.

One thing that the Sharks did do is package up some of their quantity of less valuable assets to get quality like Askarov and Dickenson. So I'd be fine with the Flames trying to package up Potter and this years Vegas first to try and get something better. Same with a few other pieces that they have. But those are tougher deals to find...have to think Nashville hates themselves today for the Askarov and Saros situation...and it will be in GM's minds for the next decade of what not to do.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

His timeline is interesting too. The rebuild apparently started in 2022 when they traded Burns. He says that it did not work in Buffalo because they did desperate to win stuff too early. The sharks did the following after Burns was traded in July 2022 that is definitely not desperate let’s try to win now stuff

July 2024 - sign Toffoli to a 4 year 6 million dollar a year deal
July 2024 - sign Wennberg yo a 2 year 5 million dollar a year deal
June 2024 - claim Goodrow off waivers to pick up the last 3 years of his deal at 3.64 million a year
October 2024 - trade a 3rd and a 6th for Liljegren.

Seems to me they did a lot of desperate win now moves in 2024. Have to see if it works out for them, the Sharks are not in a playoff spot right now.

Isn't your favorite saying on this board "You need players to play the games even in a rebuild"

It seems to be your justification when the Flames get players to play in the lineup in trades to justify they aren't trying to get better.

But when a team gets them for no assets but cap space which they have a ton of (UFA's) it shows they are trying to win??

Gotcha - Consistency is key

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Yeah, the idea that you can condense the Sharks 4 years of being terrible into one year misses the point that them being that bad allowed them to draft Eklund 7th and Smith at 4 before they got Celebrini. Plus if they didn't win the lottery to get Celebrini...where are the Sharks today?

The reality is that Anderson likely moves this year, Coleman next year, and Kadri maybe by the Summer of 2027. Even with the anticipation of an expanding upper limit, there still are not many deals being made for older guys with term left on their contracts.

One thing that the Sharks did do is package up some of their quantity of less valuable assets to get quality like Askarov and Dickenson. So I'd be fine with the Flames trying to package up Potter and this years Vegas first to try and get something better. Same with a few other pieces that they have. But those are tougher deals to find...have to think Nashville hates themselves today for the Askarov and Saros situation...and it will be in GM's minds for the next decade of what not to do.

There good reason to think this is how it may play out but I’m not so sure I would call it ‘reality’.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by TOfan

There good reason to think this is how it may play out but I’m not so sure I would call it ‘reality’.

Okay I fixed it...Happy?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Okay I fixed it...Happy?

Why, yes. Thank you.

Sir, you have made my day.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

His timeline is interesting too. The rebuild apparently started in 2022 when they traded Burns. He says that it did not work in Buffalo because they did desperate to win stuff too early. The sharks did the following after Burns was traded in July 2022 that is definitely not desperate let’s try to win now stuff

July 2024 - sign Toffoli to a 4 year 6 million dollar a year deal
July 2024 - sign Wennberg yo a 2 year 5 million dollar a year deal
June 2024 - claim Goodrow off waivers to pick up the last 3 years of his deal at 3.64 million a year
October 2024 - trade a 3rd and a 6th for Liljegren.

Seems to me they did a lot of desperate win now moves in 2024. Have to see if it works out for them, the Sharks are not in a playoff spot right now.

Those don’t really feel like desperate win now moves to me.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Isn't your favorite saying on this board "You need players to play the games even in a rebuild"

It seems to be your justification when the Flames get players to play in the lineup in trades to justify they aren't trying to get better.

But when a team gets them for no assets but cap space which they have a ton of (UFA's) it shows they are trying to win??

Gotcha - Consistency is key

That is my saying, that is what the Sharks did (just like the Flames are doing) so you should feel happy that the Flames are following the Sharks rebuilding plan. The Sabres moves at the time were also to fill out a proper roster. They just did it in a ####ty ass way. It is the inconsistency of the people who complain about the Flames have vets but marvel at the great rebuild of the Sharks with vets that I find entirely consistent.

Unrelated but who do you hope wins on the 23rd, the Flames or the Oilers?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

That is my saying, that is what the Sharks did (just like the Flames are doing) so you should feel happy that the Flames are following the Sharks rebuilding plan. The Sabres moves at the time were also to fill out a proper roster. They just did it in a ####ty ass way. It is the inconsistency of the people who complain about the Flames have vets but marvel at the great rebuild of the Sharks with vets that I find entirely consistent.

Unrelated but who do you hope wins on the 23rd, the Flames or the Oilers?

I’d rather the Flames sign UFAs then trade assets (or have players Included in trades) to fill out the roster personally

Go Oilers Go !

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I think Dallas’ need to more at RHS D. Andersson would fit like a glove. Not too sure they have the assets to acquire both. They’d almost half to empty the tank.

Andersson & Coleman

2026 2nd, 2026 3rd (Seattle), 2027 1st, Bishel + prospect?

I agree about the need but I do not think they have the assets to make both happen (at least not in a way that benefits the Flames). The Stars need full retention on both players with the new rules on the playoff salary cap. Otherwise Seguin could return in the playoffs and put them over the cap.

The Flames benefit more by splitting them up and selling Andersson to a team with better assets to offer (Sharks, Ducks, Red Wings, etc.).

So then, if the Stars cannot get both, they could still get Coleman.... What is he worth? I think he's easily worth more than a 2nd round pick on his own, especially if it is a late 2nd from a team like the Stars. Adding 2 retention slots, plus the actual retention dollars should be enough to get him to a 1st or closer to Bischel.

I am not really wanting to logjam the LD or take a spot away from Kuznetsov but adding Bischel would make a good young LD group that could run balanced minutes. It would push out Hanley and Bean and close the door on Poirier.

Coleman (50% retained) + Poirier for Bischel?

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I think somewhere in this thread it was mentioned that Carolina was interested in Kadri (even before this injury to Jarvis) but Carolina was on Kadri’s NT list.

With Montreal trading for Danault yesterday, I think it’s likely the Av’s or nothing for Kadri. The Av’s may decide to push all the chips in this year and I think Kadri would go there.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Wolven

I agree about the need but I do not think they have the assets to make both happen (at least not in a way that benefits the Flames). The Stars need full retention on both players with the new rules on the playoff salary cap. Otherwise Seguin could return in the playoffs and put them over the cap.

The Flames benefit more by splitting them up and selling Andersson to a team with better assets to offer (Sharks, Ducks, Red Wings, etc.).

So then, if the Stars cannot get both, they could still get Coleman.... What is he worth? I think he's easily worth more than a 2nd round pick on his own, especially if it is a late 2nd from a team like the Stars. Adding 2 retention slots, plus the actual retention dollars should be enough to get him to a 1st or closer to Bischel.

I am not really wanting to logjam the LD or take a spot away from Kuznetsov but adding Bischel would make a good young LD group that could run balanced minutes. It would push out Hanley and Bean and close the door on Poirier.

Coleman (50% retained) + Poirier for Bischel?

I would hope you could get either Dallas’ ‘26 2nd round pick or at least Seattles ‘26 3rd. Nevertheless, the deal you’re suggesting seems reasonable.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

That is my saying, that is what the Sharks did (just like the Flames are doing) so you should feel happy that the Flames are following the Sharks rebuilding plan. The Sabres moves at the time were also to fill out a proper roster. They just did it in a ####ty ass way. It is the inconsistency of the people who complain about the Flames have vets but marvel at the great rebuild of the Sharks with vets that I find entirely consistent.

Unrelated but who do you hope wins on the 23rd, the Flames or the Oilers?

The Sharks just drafted 2nd, 1st, and 4th. That is the part the Flames need to emulate.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Hackey

The Sharks just drafted 2nd, 1st, and 4th. That is the part the Flames need to emulate.

The Flames need a couple years drafting in the top 5 if they truly want to contend one day. And it is just funny that some people seem in denial of that.

Any pick outside the top 4 this year really would be an absolute disaster for this club, and set them back years.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

"Set back" and "disaster" are claims that are triggering the other side, and I do think those are slight exaggerations, because it isn't that black and white (things often play out in ways we don't predict) and even 5-10 draft positions will add talent to the Flames organization.

But I do think it would prolong any future contention by at least a year unless that second tier player you draft swings above what they were projected to be.

It's pretty important that they draft in those top 3-4. Otherwise you're just taking more baby steps in your rebuild, as opposed to the measurably significant step you could take drafting a future elite player.