[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Buium is not a part of the trade return?

ok

[Groot]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Buium is not a part of the trade return?

C'mon lol, parts was in " " so it was clearly meant to insinuate spare parts ie. a volume for quality trade, where a bunch of lesser parts are cobbled together to get a quality one. Buium is not a spare part meant to add volume to the trade. That's all that was being said.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Groot

C'mon lol, parts was in " " so it was clearly meant to insinuate spare parts ie. a volume for quality trade, where a bunch of lesser parts are cobbled together to get a quality one. Buium is not a spare part meant to add volume to the trade. That's all that was being said.

But it is lesser parts cobbled together to make a quality one.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Some people say the negative crowd which makes me laugh, because personally I see it more as "the grounded in reality crowd". When you have 2 playoff wins in 20 years, I think as a fan you should be allowed to be negative.

I did laugh because I saw one poster say it was "team tank" vs "team 12th overall pick". When some people were cheering for wins. The labels are pretty funny and biased depending on your view point.

You exaggerate regularly.

You ignore facts that are presented to you.

You speculate, and then assume your speculation is fact.

And you flat out make things up to fit your narrative.

Yes, if anyone on the site is 'grounded in reality', it's you!

[Groot]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

But it is lesser parts cobbled together to make a quality one.

I think you can see the difference between a quantity vs quality trade like the old Phaneuf trade versus having the 5th highest ranked propsect in the NHL included as part of the return. There's as much of a chance that Buium reaches the same level as Hughes that he crashes out and the trade is a disaster.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You exaggerate regularly.

You ignore facts that are presented to you.

You speculate, and then assume your speculation is fact.

And you flat out make things up to fit your narrative.

Yes, if anyone on the site is 'grounded in reality', it's you!

You have to forgive him, he doesn’t even watch hockey so he’s never totally sure what anybody is talking about beyond stat sheets or sportsnet articles and is basically just making this up as he goes along.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Groot

I think you can see the difference between a quantity vs quality trade like the old Phaneuf trade versus having the 5th highest ranked propsect in the NHL included as part of the return. There's as much of a chance that Buium reaches the same level as Hughes that he crashes out and the trade is a disaster.

Totally, but it’s still a quantity vs quality trade no matter how you split it and those rarely favour the quantity side.

Buium has a bunch of potential but if the chances were high and anyone realistically thought he was going to be Hughes.0 (see what I did there) then he wouldn’t have gone 10OA and wouldn’t have been one of four parts for actual Hughes.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Thinking positively, two exceptions!

Nieuwendyk for Iginla+
Fleury for Regehr+

What if the Stars gave us who we really wanted in the Nieuwendick trade. Todd Harvey....

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

What if the Stars gave us who we really wanted in the Nieuwendick trade. Todd Harvey....

Or what if we picked Martin Skoula, Scott Parker or Ramzi Abid instead of Regehr (we had a choice of the four).

[Groot]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Totally, but it’s still a quantity vs quality trade no matter how you split it and those rarely favour the quantity side.

Buium has a bunch of potential but if the chances were high and anyone realistically thought he was going to be Hughes.0 (see what I did there) then he wouldn’t have gone 10OA and wouldn’t have been one of four parts for actual Hughes.

Its the mystery box vs a boat meme. It could even be a boat! Except Van had no choice but to take the mystery box. I just dont think its fair to classify this a trade for spare parts when at least 1 of those parts has elite potential.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Buium almost certainly isn't going to be a Hughes quality player, but him being drafted at 10 doesn't have anything to do with that; it's more that there are like... 2 Hughes quality players every decade. If you look at the equivalent of Hughes and Makar for the 2010s it's probably Karlsson (15th overall) and Keith (2nd rounder).

The benefit of Buium over Hughes isn't that he's going to be another Hughes, it's that he could be in the next tier down and you trade that tier for 7 years of team control and the years of RFA contract value. If they had the cap space to sign Hughes to an 8 year extension instead of 6, or Elias Pettersson to a longer RFA deal instead of a 3 year bridge prior to this one, they'd be in much better shape.

We'll see if they make the same mistakes with this round of guys, Buium included, but my guess is "yes" - until their owner sells the team is going to continue to cut corners.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by jayswin

You absolutely throw labels around in the other direction. Like no worries, we all do it from time to time, but you're very prone to labelling posters and perceived groups of posters as various labels of "the negative crowd" when you don't like what's being said from the negative/frustrated side of things. You are always okay with, and never criticize the homer/always optimistic posters for the same issues.

Again, it's all good, most posters do it in some way towards the "other side" depending on how they feel about the team and management/ownership. But weird to see it laid out as a criticism against labeling when you are definitely guilty of it quite often, lol.

Don't agree with much of that.

You don't see the difference is calling someone too positive vs "Homer"? I think I'm pretty good on the label scale thanks.

And you haven't seen me and Dino go to war in the past?

[ripTDR]

Hughes was drafted at seven so it wasn't like he was predicted to be the overall superstar he is now. Similar to Buium

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Groot

C'mon lol, parts was in " " so it was clearly meant to insinuate spare parts ie. a volume for quality trade, where a bunch of lesser parts are cobbled together to get a quality one. Buium is not a spare part meant to add volume to the trade. That's all that was being said.

It was the opposite - the reason “ “ was around parts is they were quality parts - not spare parts. Calling the players parts in this deal would be downplaying so I put it in quotations .

That’s the usage of “ “ around a single word

But it is a 4 lesser players for 1 superstar trade . That doesn’t make them spare parts. These hardly ever work in the non superstars team favor in the long run in any sport