NHL Team Prospects and Prospect Rankings Thread

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I appreciate this list. So what if Parekh isn't on it? If the criteria is applied consistently throughout this exercise, then this is a worthwhile look at every prospect base.

That's the issue.
It wasn't.

[devo22]

I also think it's tough to do these types of lists during the season. The lines between "prospect" and "graduated" can be blurry enough in the offseason, but it can get even more difficult when the season is in swing with callups, injuries and whatnot. Even Scott Wheeler, who's done his series in January/February for years now, has run into this problem from time to time. I remember he graduated Bruins forward Matthew Poitras when he made the NHL at 19, then put him back onto the list a year later when he failed to stick full-time.

Either way, I think you just need consistent criteria to make this work. Whether it's 50 NHL games, under 23 or whatever ... there will still be enough grey areas, but you need those lines in the sand or the whole exercise becomes arbitrary.

[cral12]

Originally Posted by looooob

re; NYR- yeah.


Re: Wash- good prospect pool for sure- but a bit wild to see 26 yo Brett Leason with 220 GP on the list !

Absolutely agreed Looooob. Either E-Mac sees something there still, and/or there's precipitous dropoff in talent at that point. Unusual inclusion, but went with it as is...

[cral12]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That's the issue.
It wasn't.

Where do you mean, JH?

Devo22 summed it up nicely. I'll just say there was no intention on E-Mac's part to penalize any team; he's one objective fella. It's just one point of view at a certain timestamp (mid-Nov). I'll give some feedback should he/we venture down this endeavour again...

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by cral12

Where do you mean, JH?

Maybe I misunderstood but I thought you said that e-Mac was given a level of subjectivity to decide who to include or not?

[cral12]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Maybe I misunderstood but I thought you said that e-Mac was given a level of subjectivity to decide who to include or not?

Yah, that's probably how I worded it. I think in his mind he was objective...

"The criteria: Simple. The definition of a prospect is anybody that we (he) thought was not on the team permanently at the time we (he) produced the list." (i.e. mid-Nov)

Yes, some end up being a little wonky I think because of previous NHL games played threshold reached, which in hindsight should have been teased out/specified and adhered to stringently. But, in essence, if the player in question was not a NHL regular by mid-Nov, he'd qualify. Maybe a crazy way to go about it, but as others noted, not matter which way you slice it, there will be weaknesses.

Appreciate the feedback though, from everyone.

[Enoch Root]

That definition is definitely subjective.

Age is the only criteria that is 100% objective - even 'number of NHL games' has different meaning in different situations. And 'thought was not on the team permanently', is a long way from objective.

[cral12]

We'll def try and clean it up if we ever embark on such a task again...

[cral12]

In the meantime, we keep rolling...

14. Boston Bruins Top 10 NHL Prospects
13. Pittsburgh Penguins Top 10 NHL Prospects
12. New York Islanders Top 10 NHL Prospects

^condolences to Samuel Poulin and the fam. (Posted last night while he was still a Pen)

[cral12]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So you are saying the Oilers are no good?
Very sound conclusion

Update: Oilers prospect pool remains NG.

[cral12]

10. Ottawa Senators Top 10 NHL Prospects
9. Anaheim Ducks Top 10 NHL Prospects
8. Buffalo Sabres Top 10 NHL Prospects
7. Columbus Blue Jackets Top 10 NHL Prospects
6. Utah Mammoth Top 10 NHL Prospects
5. Chicago Blackhawks Top 10 NHL Prospects

[cral12]

Last set:

4. Montreal Canadiens Top 10 NHL Prospects
3. Nashville Predators Top 10 NHL Prospects
2. Detroit Red Wings Top 10 NHL Prospects
1. Philadelphia Flyers Top 10 NHL Prospects

(I admittedly wouldn't have Flyers 1st overall, but there you have it...I'll update the OP for all the team prospect pool links fwiw...and next time around we'll brainstorm a less subjective criteria ; )

[looooob]

I may be sleeping on Ottawa have thought their group to be fairly meh, not a top 10, may need to learn a bit more about that group

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by looooob

I may be sleeping on Ottawa have thought their group to be fairly meh, not a top 10, may need to learn a bit more about that group

It's very meh indeed.
One blue chip guy (though with a lot of flaws)
Hensler is a solid two way guy.

And that a whole lotta nothing.

[cral12]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It's very meh indeed.
One blue chip guy (though with a lot of flaws)
Hensler is a solid two way guy.

And that a whole lotta nothing.

I'm with JH, tbh - E-Mac sees more with the Sens than I do as well. I'm not sold on many of their guys - the one team (besides Flames!) that I questioned their placement overall. We'll have to see how it plays out.

[Samonadreau]

An easy way to do it would have been players still eligible for calder at the beginning of the season. Or has been mentioned, a 23u list. But you're never going to make everyone happy so dont sweat it.

[Enoch Root]

When comparing teams' youth/prospects/future, I don't care about definitions, I care who has the most talent.

Who cares if some 24 year old is Calder eligible? Whereas I do care if a team has 3 elite 20 year olds - why remove them from consideration, simply because they are already in the league?

Who has the talent, that's what I want to know.

[Jay Random]

I care. If I want to know who has young talent already in the NHL, I can watch them playing easily enough. Lists that are strictly for prospects help me keep tabs on what each team still has in the pipeline.

[Strange Brew]

I get it though. If you consider it a pure pipeline evaluation, they you only care about players not on the roster. If you're only watching the NHL team, this gives you insight into what is coming next. And then age really doesn't matter.

Not saying I would do it this way, but I understand the theory. You would have to pair an analysis like this with the potential of the existing NHL roster.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

When comparing teams' youth/prospects/future, I don't care about definitions, I care who has the most talent.

Who cares if some 24 year old is Calder eligible? Whereas I do care if a team has 3 elite 20 year olds - why remove them from consideration, simply because they are already in the league?

Who has the talent, that's what I want to know.

Main problem was trying to guess who was graduated in October. Yakemchuk and Iginla counting but Parekh not is always going to give some weird rankings.

That and the scoring system rewards AHL depth a lot. Two middle six winger projections are worth 40% more than Celebrini would be.

Interesting list but not how I would rank them at all. A true elite talent should be worth like 40 points on this scale.