Ongoing General Automotive Thread 2.0

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by chedder

You talking about getting a Bronco? Totally different vehicle than the sport. Sport is just a rebadged escape which is fine. We've had a Bronco for 4 years and there are some downsides. Highway wind noise being the worst. Not the greatest for fuel efficiency. We have the 4 cylinder and it's barely better than a 1/2 ton. Prepare to replace windshield often. Comfortable and drives nice and smooth. Fun to take offroad. Taking the roof off in summer is nice. In 4 years we've never taken the doors off.

Ya. You folks have take the wind out of my sails. I've heard wind noise is an issues but I did not detect on Stoney but maybe in Strathmore or GP would be different. My field foreman absolutely loves his to put his guns and fishin poles in.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Ya. You folks have take the wind out of my sails. I've heard wind noise is an issues but I did not detect on Stoney but maybe in Strathmore or GP would be different. My field foreman absolutely loves his to put his guns and fishin poles in.

I wouldn't discourage you. It's a fun vehicle. The noise is at its worst on a windy day on something like hwy 2 out on the bald prairie (going 120). We took it to Kelowna last summer and it was great on hwy 3 through the mountains.

[FLAME ENVY]

Originally Posted by Texas

UPDATE: First, thank you for the advice from the folks on this forum.

We ended up ordering the Genesis GV70, drove both Lexus and Audi. The Genesis interior and feel and technology is just at another level. I had seen a lot of the reviews talk about how Genesis somehow feels like a $100k+ interior, but was skeptical until we saw it ourselves. Really impressive. Base engine 2.5t at 300hp is plenty. Better sound system than Audi, fully loaded on the technology.

When we started this process I would have guessed that we would have landed on the new Q5. Never thought I would buy a Korean car, but they are certainly bringing the fight to the Germans.

Genesis does do good interiors, sans the rectangle screen which is just lazy (several other manufacturers are guilty of this too).

However, Genesis engines are a generation or two behind other competitors in the segment IMO.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

A truck requires a Body on Frame (cab/ chassis with a separate box) A Maverick is a unibody design, neither have anything to do with the size of one’s dong. The Maverick is right sized for many uses and many customers. The maverick can tow as much as a mid sized SUV and has an 1100lb payload, so it is maxed out when 4 men throw in their golf clubs and head to the course.

Why are so many hell bent on crapping on truck owners? Yeesh.

Are you suggesting it has a payload of half a tonne? Maybe they should name this style of truck after that.

[Bill Bumface]

Yes please!



https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a6...hotos-details/

[woob]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Yes please!



https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a6...hotos-details/

All the cool wagons are $$$$. I’ll celebrate when they start bringing them back in the mid market space. Give me a new Golf wagon, Toyota, Honda etc.

[Acey]

I dunno if it's just the render but this wagon seems like it's 100 feet long.

[woob]

And 8 feet wide.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Acey

I dunno if it's just the render but this wagon seems like it's 100 feet long.

That’s how hulk likes it. Length queen.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by woob

All the cool wagons are $$$$. I’ll celebrate when they start bringing them back in the mid market space. Give me a new Golf wagon, Toyota, Honda etc.

Acura used to make a TSX wagon. They could make an integra wagon, although the hatchback is already kind of wagonish.

But yeah, the regular G90 sedan is already $120k, so I can't imagine the wingback being less. Still looks cool though.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Acey

I dunno if it's just the render but this wagon seems like it's 100 feet long.

I dont like the gap-shape between the fender and the door panel, but other than being the length of a football field it looks pretty sharp!

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Acey

I dunno if it's just the render but this wagon seems like it's 100 feet long.

It does, which means hopefully it has a crap ton of cargo space. I'm sick of all the slope-y back wagons that prioritize looking cool over being functional, which is the whole point of them.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

It does, which means hopefully it has a crap ton of cargo space. I'm sick of all the slope-y back wagons that prioritize looking cool over being functional, which is the whole point of them.

That was the best thing about the Volvo's. Philosophy of doing whatever style wise in the front but the rest always slowly got more square as you went back

[Locke]

Originally Posted by btimbit

That was the best thing about the Volvo's. Philosophy of doing whatever style wise in the front but the rest always slowly got more square as you went back

Theres a 'baby got back' joke in here somewhere, but I'm leaving it. For now...

[Table 5]

This still looks pretty slopey to me. The top spoiler makes it look a bit more square, but its just covering a fairly raked back window.

I still pine for this....huge boxy-cargo area, and big windows with more modest rear pillars.


Still one of the best cars we've owned. Everything after has looked nice, but has functionally been a downgrade.

[Fuzz]

I wonder if the drag issue is the reason we don't see much for boxy back sides these days? I don't know what the efficiency hit is, but perhaps it significant enough?

[Table 5]

It doesn't seem to be stopping the bigger SUVs (Yukons, Suburban etc) from being boxier in the back.

I think it's more a style/trend thing. Wagons these days are less about the pure utility aspect (probably since they pretty much are only available at the higher end), and a slopey rear makes them look sleeker/faster or something something.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by btimbit

That was the best thing about the Volvo's. Philosophy of doing whatever style wise in the front but the rest always slowly got more square as you went back

The old ones, yes. The current V90, while very pretty, is abysmal for cargo space (25 cu. ft.):



The Mercedes seems to be one of the better ones now (35 cu. ft.):

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Table 5

It doesn't seem to be stopping the bigger SUVs (Yukons, Suburban etc) from being boxier in the back.

I think it's more a style/trend thing. Wagons these days are less about the pure utility aspect (probably since they pretty much are only available at the higher end), and a slopey rear makes them look sleeker/faster or something something.

I think it's less an issue on big ones because of the way fuel efficiency standards are calculated(not considering Euro market here). But as we move to electric, aerodynamic efficiencies gain even more importance for highway range.

[billybob123]

I have always hated that most manufacturers have wagons in Europe and Asia but not here. I understand why manufacturers don't do it - no one buys sedans here let alone wagons. I should just be happy I could even buy a sedan instead of the preponderance of SUVs.

Genesis G70 wagon is available in the UK but not here, so I'd suspect they won't make this G90 available here either.

I drive a Kia liftback (Stinger) that I love. And of course no one bought them so they discontinued it. Why would Hyundai/Genesis/Kia sell wagons here when no one would buy them? K5 and K4 both available overseas as wagons too. So disappointing.

Maybe I'm not enough of a car guy to understand why everyone wants SUVs? Other than snowplowing from the low clearance, my Stinger has everything a crossover SUV has - and way more space inside.