Pedestrian LRT Fatality today (Old thread bumped for update)

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Burninator

gangs signals. Now I am going to make a blind judgement on this guy, but he doesn't seem like an upstanding member of society to me.

And yet, the worse of two evils is still roaming the streets. The woman who pushed him should be the one punished for an act like that, not a young man who, although obviously had his troubles, probably never committed a criminal act in his lifetime to that extent.

He maybe a punk after all, but he's still a victim.

[ken0042]

Some things are starting to make sense. When I watched the 6:00 news the night it happened, there was footage of all of his friends being there. The clock on the C-Train platform showed 5:23pm- so about 40 minutes from when it happened. I just found it odd that all of his friends happened to be right in the area; which is known for drug traffic.

Then the picture of him that they showed on the news last night was of him in a "gangsta" pose.

It's unfortunate when anybody dies, but if what Fotze said is correct about him pushing the woman off the platform first......... well it's not like it happened to my buddy's straight A 16 year old.

[jayswin]

I talked to a cop who was part of the investaigation last night. He said basically it was over a bad $10 or $20 weed transaction (which is brutal). BAsically the guy ripped her off and so she started harrassing him, but he ended up pushing her off the platform during the scuffle (this was way before a train was approaching.). The he got up and kind of left (started heading down the platform), then just as a train came in, this girl shoved him right into it. So even though he knew the girl was still kind of after him, it sounds like he may not have seen the fatal push coming.

Basically, his body hit the first car and started kind of rolling along it (witnesses said they heard something that sounded like gunshots, the cop then told me this was the sounds of his bones breaking .) He then fell between the first car and the second car, and 'corkscewed' between the cars. It sounded like a mess, but he said there was actually no blood, as his body hadn't 'split open' anywhere.

On a side note, he said it was discusting how many people were trying to see under the train. That's supposed to be the worst part of his job, and here these people are, doing everything they can to get a glimpse.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

And yet, the worse of two evils is still roaming the streets. The woman who pushed him should be the one punished for an act like that, not a young man who, although obviously had his troubles, probably never committed a criminal act in his lifetime to that extent.

He maybe a punk after all, but he's still a victim.

Don't get me wrong, I definitely think it's sad that someone so young died. I just find it interesting that the news will bend the perception of someone to pluck at our heart strings. Maybe I am just jaded, and this may piss some people off, but not everyone that is under 18 and dies is an angel. I am, of course, not happy that he died, far from it. I do feel remorse for him, anyone that dies so young has lots of time to turn their life around (if they are going down a bad path). But if an older drug dealer died in a similar situation chances are the headline would read "drug deal gone bad on train platform, drug peddler dead" not "tragedy on train platform." All I am getting at is there seems to be a line with age and death where at one age it's a sin to anything negative about them and another age where it's perfectly fine to rake them over the coals. I am not trying to "demean the deceased" here.

[MatsNaslund]

The Moral of the story is: stand behind the yellow line. Obey 'don't walk' signs when crossing the street and while driving obey red lights along with crossing arms and stop behind 'stop' lines. If a 130 tonne train has a green light and is going full speed on 7 ave don't jump in front to jaywalk. Do all that and no one will get hurt. With all these c-train related injuries and fatalies I have yet to hear of one where it was actually the c-train driver's fault. It probably has to do with people not following the rules. I didn't shed a tear when the guy that ran the crossing arm and hit a train and died at Franklin earlier in the year. I'm not going to shed a tear now either. Jumping in front of a c-train is actually worse then standing in front of a tractor trailer unit going at full speed because of the physics involved in how long it takes the train to stop.

[Ozy_Flame]

I hear the train horns blow at least 5 times a day on 7th and 8th. I watch as idiotic people have no idea a train is coming, but they're chatting with their friends as they cross, chatting on a cellphone, or have their headphones on. It's only a matter of time again before another complacent person wanders onto the tracks and ignores the lights and the train horn...

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Being inconvenienced on my way home because someone was possibly murdered is something that I am fine with.

Again, why does it take so long. If it some brutal killing with knife in the home then ok, but this seems pretty simple.

Group of brats near C Train station. Dude wont sell some strung out future drop in centre attendee some weed. Dude pushes chick to stop hassling him, she pushes back he dies.

Seems pretty simple to me, I guess I just dont have the level of education the cops have - oh wait.

Also, I dont take the train, I walk home so as to help combat the worlds evil global warming pandemic I just want to know why these things take so long when act seems fairly straight forward.

Are there rules that you have to dust down every crime scene no matter how it occured?

MYK

[MatsNaslund]

Are there rules that you have to dust down every crime scene no matter how it occured?

MYK

Yes, I believe so. That's what they did when NB Deerfoot was shutdown in the spring due to a fatality.

[Bobblehead]

If they didn't spend the time to process the scene and a future conviction is denied because the police didn't follow procedure, then how many people would be complaining about the incompetence of the CPS?

I don't think the police can ever win.

If there are people cutting through neighbourhoods or speeding the cops are blamed for lack of enforcement, yet if they give tickets then they should be out trying to prevent "real" crime.

If officers give tickets to rafters on the Elbow they are being overzealous and should be spending their time on more important things. If they don't, then the traffic, littering and general unruly crowds on the river need to have something done about them.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

[Barnes]

Why does the length of time it takes to process a crime scene matter? Is it just me?

[arsenal]

Originally Posted by MatsNaslund

The Moral of the story is: stand behind the yellow line. Obey 'don't walk' signs when crossing the street and while driving obey red lights along with crossing arms and stop behind 'stop' lines. If a 130 tonne train has a green light and is going full speed on 7 ave don't jump in front to jaywalk. Do all that and no one will get hurt. With all these c-train related injuries and fatalies I have yet to hear of one where it was actually the c-train driver's fault. It probably has to do with people not following the rules. I didn't shed a tear when the guy that ran the crossing arm and hit a train and died at Franklin earlier in the year. I'm not going to shed a tear now either. Jumping in front of a c-train is actually worse then standing in front of a tractor trailer unit going at full speed because of the physics involved in how long it takes the train to stop.

Did you even read the story?? Doesn't matter if he was behind the yellow line, if you get pushed into an on coming train, and aren't expecting it, you are most likely going to fall into it as you are off balance.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

Again, why does it take so long. If it some brutal killing with knife in the home then ok, but this seems pretty simple.

Group of brats near C Train station. Dude wont sell some strung out future drop in centre attendee some weed. Dude pushes chick to stop hassling him, she pushes back he dies.

Seems pretty simple to me, I guess I just dont have the level of education the cops have - oh wait.

Also, I dont take the train, I walk home so as to help combat the worlds evil global warming pandemic I just want to know why these things take so long when act seems fairly straight forward.

Are there rules that you have to dust down every crime scene no matter how it occured?

MYK

I suppose the alternative is to rush through the crime scene and then hve the person get off on a technicality when it gets to the courts. But at least then everyone would get home on time eh?

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

Again, why does it take so long. If it some brutal killing with knife in the home then ok, but this seems pretty simple.

Group of brats near C Train station. Dude wont sell some strung out future drop in centre attendee some weed. Dude pushes chick to stop hassling him, she pushes back he dies.

Seems pretty simple to me, I guess I just dont have the level of education the cops have - oh wait.

Also, I dont take the train, I walk home so as to help combat the worlds evil global warming pandemic I just want to know why these things take so long when act seems fairly straight forward.

Are there rules that you have to dust down every crime scene no matter how it occured?

MYK

I would guess the police put a "brutal killing with a knife in a home" and "a strung out brat pushing someone into the train" under the same light. That they both get adequate investigation time regardless of the inconvenience it may cause some people. Plus each case may have it's own complexities and other factors that will dictate the length of the investigation.

Did this really take that long to investigate? I honestly don't know. It happened at 4:45pm and I get to that station at 5:05pm. I wouldn't expect it to be sorted out by then. Doesn't CP have any police officers or people affiliated with them that know what the process is? I am sure it is not a simple one that can be rushed. It's not as simple as "He was pushed under the train....Well, I'm going on break."

[GrrlGoalie33]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

If they didn't spend the time to process the scene and a future conviction is denied because the police didn't follow procedure, then how many people would be complaining about the incompetence of the CPS?

I don't think the police can ever win.

If there are people cutting through neighbourhoods or speeding the cops are blamed for lack of enforcement, yet if they give tickets then they should be out trying to prevent "real" crime.

If officers give tickets to rafters on the Elbow they are being overzealous and should be spending their time on more important things. If they don't, then the traffic, littering and general unruly crowds on the river need to have something done about them.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Thank you!

Getting off work that day at 6:00, I had to walk down to Olympic Plaza. I was frustrated more because I had a heavy backpack and didn't want to walk that far, but I understood and didn't grumble at all. There were a lot of angry people on my walk from 6th street though.

You're right...the cops are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

[Otto-matic]

Teens point to wrong suspect

The oblivious young woman in sunglasses and a black ball cap, matching a vague description of a suspect who police say pushed Prevost, was swiftly apprehended by police and spirited into a nearby police van. During the woman’s arrest, the mob of teenagers chased after her. One girl in a black dress and high heels landed a quick punch before being pushed away by police.

“You killed my brother,” Foster Prevost yelled to the woman as police loaded her into the back of a police van. “Let me go. I don’t know what you’re talking about,” she responded to the crowd as they swarmed and threatened her, screaming “murderer.”


Friends say Prevost died over a paltry $10 worth of marijuana. He has been memorialized by friends posting entries on online social networking sites Nexopia and Facebook, lamenting his loss. At the scene of his death, his friends hugged each other and cried. They handed out cans of beer and alternated sipping and spilling it onto the memorial site.

Now I know they are mourning his passing but can the police arrest them for underage drinking, drinking in public? Im just guessing that they were all around his age or maybe a few were older.

Prevost’s landlord, who arrived bearing a grocery store bouquet of flowers for the memorial, said he was looking forward to celebrating the teen’s upcoming birthday just six weeks away. “I told him we’d have a big party. He was turning a corner.

I told him to slow down,” said Lionel Millington. “I wish he would have listened to me.”

Sounded like his Landlord cared about him.

RIP Gage Prevost

[MatsNaslund]

Did you even read the story?? Doesn't matter if he was behind the yellow line, if you get pushed into an on coming train, and aren't expecting it, you are most likely going to fall into it as you are off balance.

Read the story? I was driving another train near Whitehorn when it was announced over the radio that there was a fatality. An instant '$$$$' sign went off in my head for the OT I was about to make. Every so often or so there is some crackhead or drunk getting hit. So another small time Pot dealer dies. Am I to shed a tear?

If everyone followed the rules there would be no fatalities near c-trains. It is not a matter of `if` but `when` it will happen to a c-train driver and everytime it is ruled as 'non-preventable' by CT's own investigation thus clearing the driver. Some drivers go on stress leave (some never return and opt to drive Bus). Others are back at work the very next day. It is just the hassle of filling out paperwork in the form of reports that we don't like. How can a c-train driver be at fault when people are openly not following rules of the road and the rails?

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by MatsNaslund

Read the story?

Yes, obviously you have not read the story. This thread is not about somebody standing too close to a train, or trying to beat a train. It is about a person being pushed into a train. The issues you have with your job have nothing to do with this thread; and the rest of us are having a discussion. If you have something on topic to add, the great. If not, then please don't try and derail this thread.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Yes, obviously you have not read the story. This thread is not about somebody standing too close to a train, or trying to beat a train. It is about a person being pushed into a train. The issues you have with your job have nothing to do with this thread; and the rest of us are having a discussion. If you have something on topic to add, the great. If not, then please don't try and derail this thread.

Pun intended?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

Teens point to wrong suspect


Now I know they are mourning his passing but can the police arrest them for underage drinking, drinking in public? Im just guessing that they were all around his age or maybe a few were older.


Sounded like his Landlord cared about him.

RIP Gage Prevost

C'mon man. Is our world that politically correct, that some teens can't even mourn the loss of their friend in their own way? I do realize that my comment is open to criticism ie: what if they decided to shoot off guns to mourn?, but stopping teens from passing around beers at a makesift memorial? Maybe I'm younger and less mature than some of you guys on Calgarypuck, but that just seems a little heavy handed, or debby downerish if you will.

[ken0042]

Well, I don't think Otto was suggesting that they should be charged; however watching Global right now; it may be an idea. Today an innocent woman was assulted by the friends of the victim, and if person hitting her had been 6 inches closer she could have been pushed onto the tracks. I can understand wanting to have a vigil; and I can understand wanting to have a drink in a time like this, but the two may not go together.

And I say this as I just watched the entire thing on TV. The suspect was already in the process of being brough into custidy by police.