11-26-2025, 12:53 PM
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#14121
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by HighLifeMan
Hage much like most if not all Montreal prospects before him get's far too much hype.
Don't get me wrong - he's a strong prospect with a good skillset, but he's 3rd in scoring on Michigan, and doesn't even rank in the top three in faceoffs taken on that team. Projecting him as a 1st line center in the NHL is a massive, massive stretch at this point.
Should he really be valued much differently than a prospect like Calum Ritchie who was only a partial piece in the Brock Nelson trade or is it just media and fan biases that boost his value?
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
So wait the Avs didn’t trade Ritchie for an expiring contract? There was no extension as part of the Nelson deal.
Anyways we are talking about Kadri who is not a rental
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Hage and Ritchie are very similar levels of prospects.
In their Draft+1 Richie climbed to NHLe of 39, Hage was 36. According to Hockey Prospecting model they both had about a 20% chance of becoming a star at that time.
Ritchie didn't take a huge step in his draft+2 and then ended up being traded for Nelson in the middle of that season.
Hage had a great start, but has slowed down a lot, and it's possible his production ends up being pretty flat season over season too.
If Brock Nelson can get Richie, 1st, and 3rd then Kadri should be able to get Hage + as a return.
Also not to litigate it again but it's why it's really sad the Flames couldn't' take advantage of the Avs desperation last year because that was such a great return, hopefully they can generate something similar this year.
Last edited by SuperMatt18; 11-26-2025 at 12:56 PM.
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11-26-2025, 12:59 PM
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#14122
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Toonage
Ras (signed/extended) for the Vegas 27 1st and Hague I believe.
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Yikes, Nic Hague did us a favour then.
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11-26-2025, 01:08 PM
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#14123
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Hage was a guy I was really big on in his draft year. He has elite upside imo. I can't see any way the Habs are dumb enough to trade him.
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11-26-2025, 01:09 PM
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#14124
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Franchise Player
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All your Hage(gue)'s are belong to us
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11-26-2025, 01:12 PM
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#14125
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JTech780
Yikes, Nic Hague did us a favour then.
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Common theme.
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11-26-2025, 01:13 PM
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#14126
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
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Hage and Ritchie are very similar levels of prospects.
In their Draft+1 Richie climbed to NHLe of 39, Hage was 36. According to Hockey Prospecting model they both had about a 20% chance of becoming a star at that time.
Ritchie didn't take a huge step in his draft+2 and then ended up being traded for Nelson in the middle of that season.
Hage had a great start, but has slowed down a lot, and it's possible his production ends up being pretty flat season over season too.
If Brock Nelson can get Richie, 1st, and 3rd then Kadri should be able to get Hage + as a return.
Also not to litigate it again but it's why it's really sad the Flames couldn't' take advantage of the Avs desperation last year because that was such a great return, hopefully they can generate something similar this year.
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I fully agree that Hage and Ritchie are comparable prospects.
But we've all seen time and again though, just because one team is willing to make a move, doesn't mean similar moves are repeatable.
Also the Habs are in a very different position in their lifecycle then the Avs.
Not saying it's impossible, but if I'm a Habs fan I'm probably not gung ho about sending Hage+ for 4 more years of a 35 year old.
I do think Hage+ would be a great package for Kadri though
I would be also very interested in Nate Danielson and I think the redwings could be a good fit.
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11-26-2025, 01:13 PM
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#14127
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Kraken are playing pretty well so far, and have weak, weak competition in the division. I wonder if they would pay up for Kadri and or Coleman. Wright + ...
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11-26-2025, 01:18 PM
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#14128
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
Kraken are playing pretty well so far, and have weak, weak competition in the division. I wonder if they would pay up for Kadri and or Coleman. Wright + ...
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Wright is 21 and is averaging about 0.5ppg over the last 100 games so I am not sure Seattle would for him for a 35 year old. Silly move for a team way far out of contention for the cup
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11-26-2025, 01:25 PM
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#14129
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05
Nobody trades their top prospect for a rental, let alone a mediocre one.
Well, except for hockey forums
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Rental = 4 years. That is one hell of a rental period.
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11-26-2025, 01:29 PM
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#14130
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Franchise Player
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I don't Kadri to Seattle would happen, but it isn't just the notion that Kadri would score and put them into the playoffs. Kadri would help change a culture. That's part of the value with Kadri, I would say. For a younger team trying to get over that hurdle - the mental hurdle - Kadri would also help. Buffalo should be all over Kadri, Andersson and Coleman after seeing Calgary playing so hard. I am sure that it is on every single one of their NTCs of course, but just stating that these 3 vets are the kind of vets you want to add not only because of their on-ice contributions, but also on the bench, in practice, etc., in which they can positively impact a team's culture.
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11-26-2025, 02:51 PM
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#14131
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by traptor
I fully agree that Hage and Ritchie are comparable prospects.
But we've all seen time and again though, just because one team is willing to make a move, doesn't mean similar moves are repeatable.
Also the Habs are in a very different position in their lifecycle then the Avs.
Not saying it's impossible, but if I'm a Habs fan I'm probably not gung ho about sending Hage+ for 4 more years of a 35 year old.
I do think Hage+ would be a great package for Kadri though
I would be also very interested in Nate Danielson and I think the redwings could be a good fit.
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Oh I don't disagree.
I'm just saying don't take less value on your own players because you became so deadset on needing Hage that you then go and trade both Kadri and Coleman for him.
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11-26-2025, 03:51 PM
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#14132
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Oh I don't disagree.
I'm just saying don't take less value on your own players because you became so deadset on needing Hage that you then go and trade both Kadri and Coleman for him.
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Yeah definitely. Maximize the value.
I do think he deserves small bump when determining value in the sense of he's a right shot center that is close to jumping pro. I would take him over a pick #21 in the 2026 draft.
But yeah I don't think his value is so much that he's worth drastically more then that.
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11-26-2025, 05:20 PM
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#14133
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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I hope and pray we could get Hage, I would even cut off a digit or two to make it reality, but I just don’t see it happening at this stage of Montreal’s trajectory.
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11-26-2025, 05:37 PM
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#14134
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman
I hope and pray we could get Hage, I would even cut off a digit or two to make it reality, but I just don’t see it happening at this stage of Montreal’s trajectory.
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Save some digits for the lottery! Priorities
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11-26-2025, 05:47 PM
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#14135
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman
I hope and pray we could get Hage, I would even cut off a digit or two to make it reality, but I just don’t see it happening at this stage of Montreal’s trajectory.
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I will sacrifice a few as well. Let's start a digit pool.
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