[News] Sportsnet interview with Maloney (2-parter)

[dino7c]

the ONLY way Conroy leaves is if some other team makes him an offer he can't refuse...Maybe the Leafs when Brad gets fired lol

95+% he is extended with the Flames

[shutout]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Edwards has $4B but he is going can't sleep at night because he wants that 5M for two home playoff games so bad that it consumes him. (according to some)

Being worth $4B is different than having the money to spend.
Team should be able to generate enough revenue so that it covers all of its costs without having the owners infuse cash into it from their personal accounts.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by shutout

Being worth $4B is different than having the money to spend.
Team should be able to generate enough revenue so that it covers all of its costs without having the owners infuse cash into it from their personal accounts.

Murray is keeping food on the table don't worry...when it comes to making $$$ he has bigger fish to fry than the Flames trust me

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by getbak

There are links in the first post of this thread.

Sorry missed the part 2 one. I’ll grab my pitchfork and torch before watching it.

Thanks for responding.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Murray is keeping food on the table don't worry...when it comes to making $$$ he has bigger fish to fry than the Flames trust me

not questioning ability
questioning willingness
questioning why any owner would want his organization to need this

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

the ONLY way Conroy leaves is if some other team makes him an offer he can't refuse...Maybe the Leafs when Brad gets fired lol

95+% he is extended with the Flames

19 to 1 odds? I'll take that bet.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

How can Conroy's plans "not fit the budget". There is a cap. The Flames have spent to it before.

Not referring to expenses, but to reduced revenues.

[Jiggy_12]

Highly doubting the validity of that Orange Juli-esque rumour. If true, and that's a huge IF, then ownership is really underestimating the incoming fan revolt if they were to fire Conroy.

They want the new building to be empty? because that's how you ensure the new building is empty

[Vinny01]

Friedman mentioned last night he was be massively surprised if Conroy was not extended.


The only thing that in curious about is Shanahan and the past desire to have him run the club. I assume he wants to be POHO though and not GM.

End of the day I will be pissed if Conroy is not running the team

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Highly doubting the validity of that Orange Juli-esque rumour. If true, and that's a huge IF, then ownership is really underestimating the incoming fan revolt if they were to fire Conroy.

They want the new building to be empty? because that's how you ensure the new building is empty

That would be a HUGE mistake, and a complete misread of the room.

But I no longer totally doubt that it might happen.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Highly doubting the validity of that Orange Juli-esque rumour. If true, and that's a huge IF, then ownership is really underestimating the incoming fan revolt if they were to fire Conroy.

They want the new building to be empty? because that's how you ensure the new building is empty

Is it orange Julius? It's one of that place's insiderrrrs innit?

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

So according to Pat Steinberg this is what happened. Eric Francis reached out to the Flames and asked if Maloney would do this interview at the quarter mark of the season, and could give some insight into what the plan is for the Flames, which they agreed. Around the same time Sportsnet asked if Conroy could give an on air interview as we haven't heard from him really this year. The Flames said since Maloney is already doing the other interview he can just do both, and Maloney likes doing interviews.

Then the first interview on Thursday went really poorly compared to what the media expected. They really were trying to just make people feel better about the rest of the season with the poor start, and give them hope. But there was a lot of backlash and it had the complete opposite effect after Maloney went on air with his answers.

Eric Francis had already completed the interview that was released the last few days prior to this on air interview. And he reached out to the Flames and offered to just pull the interview and have them do another interview at a later time, to cool the temperature in the fan base and to see if they wanted to send a diffent message instead. But the Flames said no, the interview they gave is exactly what the message is and they want that to be released.

That is basically the summary of it. So the Flames upper management or whoever is in charge of this was completely fine with this going out, and did not think it would anger the fans.

Steinberg also said on a good note, that from everything he has heard from his sources Craig is likely to get extended. And he also said even if this is the message now he has heard there has been a lot of internal debates behind the scenes recently. So he said while a retool is the plan today and the interview is likely the real plan today, at least behind the scenes things could change in the next few months and they could go to a plan B.

One important detail that is left out is what Francis offered:


Doesn't know for sure if Maloney heard any of the backlash after his interview with Parker. With the travel and so on, if he wasn't on social media, he may not have known that there was backlash until after his interview with Francis. Francis never told him about this backlash. This could be why Maloney was doubling-down, even after Francis was giving him a few leading questions to settle the fan base down.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Not referring to expenses, but to reduced revenues.

That's not really how an investment banker refers to a budget. I've actually heard Edwards talk about budgets before and it's about expenditures.

Even he would know there's no way to predict revenues based on team makeup.

Perhaps though, their seasons ticket sales have taken a nosedive and they are reacting.

[Scornfire]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

One important detail that is left out is what Francis offered:


Doesn't know for sure if Maloney heard any of the backlash after his interview with Parker. With the travel and so on, if he wasn't on social media, he may not have known that there was backlash until after his interview with Francis. Francis never told him about this backlash. This could be why Maloney was doubling-down, even after Francis was giving him a few leading questions to settle the fan base down.

I'm not sure what would be dumber/more incompetent. Knowing and proceeding, or literally nobody involved in PR/SM with the team debriefing the guy making public addresses to advise him how incredibly poorly he came off *DAYS* earlier

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Disagree. He said the first year was difficult for Conroy because of all the pending UFAs. Conroy moved them all out. Now Maloney says a couple of them could help right now.

In other words: Conroy's decisions are partially to blame for where we are this year. He is throwing Conroy under the bus. And it tracks with the comment that Conroy is still being evaluated as GM.

And it tracks with the growing concern that they aren't all on the same page, and that they don't all want a rebuild

Interesting ... I didn't take it that way at all.

I took it as it was a shame the team was faced with expiring contracts and had to trade players away that would/could help right now.

Certainly not claiming my take is right though, but different!

[PaperBagger'14]

Why do people honestly want Conroy as GM? He seems likeable enough but is he some behind the scenes mastermind who will bring home a cup? Especially when you consider the rumblings of ownership being involved in personnel matters and questionable team direction, I see Conroy more as an instrument / fall guy to push ownerships direction.

Conroys fine, but literally anyone could be a stand in yes man as GM if ownerships comments are true.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Scornfire

I'm not sure what would be dumber/more incompetent. Knowing and proceeding, or literally nobody involved in PR/SM with the team debriefing the guy making public addresses to advise him how incredibly poorly he came off *DAYS* earlier

I am not sure either, but but it does give a reasonable explanation as to why Maloney decided to 'double-down', rather than simply walk-back some of his comments and at least make them a little more ambiguous.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That's not really how an investment banker refers to a budget. I've actually heard Edwards talk about budgets before and it's about expenditures.

Even he would know there's no way to predict revenues based on team makeup.

Perhaps though, their seasons ticket sales have taken a nosedive and they are reacting.

Yes, I know. But it's a second hand quote.

The point is what matters: if your costs are fixed, and your revenues are down, the math goes bad.

And this tracks with Maloney's comments about them being able to use some of the players they've traded away - they look at Ws as revenues. That is wildly shortsighted, and arguably flat out wrong. But here we are.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I don't think that this is the right time for a trade (unless some team steps up with an offer that blows Conroy's socks off!), and certainly not to simply appease a fan base.


I don't think the Flames can send anyone out and walk back those statements now - it would be perceived as them just bowing to public pressure, and perhaps not having a plan. I think it would create too much uncertainty.


Know what would appease me and make me feel a little better? How about announcing a new deal for Conroy? That would relieve the pressure, especially for the fans who are left thinking that this team isn't rebuilding and Conroy is about to get axed (which I won't deny has crossed my mind a couple of times recently as well). That would make me feel better. Get Conroy smiling out in a media availability discussing his shiny new contract, but simply stating: "We are keeping the direction in-house. Everything is always being considered, and things will unfold as the season progresses. Other than that, no comment."


I would be much more relieved, or at least feeling more positive. I guess it probably won't happen until the off-season, but I would be surprised if it doesn't happen at all. I am still convinced that this plan really is all about rebuilding, and the Flames at this spot in the standings is not 'unexpected'. Maybe they didn't think they would be dead last, but just in the bottom 5-10, and after trading out some key pieces later on this season, the plan would be to sink into the bottom 3. Maybe that's what the plan really was.


I guess we will just see what happens as the season goes along. It just would be nice to be thrown a bone here and have Conroy's extension come a little early.

[Enoch Root]

Yup. Extend Conroy, and say everything is on track.

Easy.