[News] Sportsnet interview with Maloney (2-parter)

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

lol

For the last two years they've done nothing but trade older players for picks, prospects and younger players and hover around the cap floor with the payroll.

They are rebuilding. The proof is in what they do, not what they say.

Until they change what they are doing, I'm not buying the BS

I largely agree. The only iffy thing is the lack of a Conroy extension but I’m still optimistic

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Which he didn't even do. I've seen the original video.

lol

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dino7c

you guys are still arguing about this? If they wanted to really compete they would have spent some money in the summer

They definitely tried to spend money. Before Rantanen got to DAL there were rumors they were planning on giving him a very competitive offer. Not sure if they attempted to do anything similar with Marner, or one of the UFA D like Lindgren. That said there were pretty slim pickings this summer after FLA re-signed their guys, and DAL re-signed their guys.

The Flames were still rumored to be in on Byram, and Cozens before that. So there was definitely an appetite to spend money.

Even if you look at this offseason top UFAs:
Panarin, Tuch, Andersson, Matheson, Carlson, Schmaltz, Malkin, Roslovic, and Ovi.

There's 0 chance any of them sign here.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

They definitely tried to spend money. Before Rantanen got to DAL there were rumors they were planning on giving him a very competitive offer. Not sure if they attempted to do anything similar with Marner, or one of the UFA D like Lindgren. That said there were pretty slim pickings this summer after FLA re-signed their guys, and DAL re-signed their guys.

The Flames were still rumored to be in on Byram, and Cozens before that. So there was definitely an appetite to spend money.

Even if you look at this offseason top UFAs:
Panarin, Tuch, Andersson, Matheson, Carlson, Schmaltz, Malkin, Roslovic, and Ovi.

There's 0 chance any of them sign here.

I would not stress too much on them trying to spend money, they could not even top 1.5 million to get Roslovic, instead starting the season with Kirkland as a NHL center. Don’t think they tried too hard to compete this offseason.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by BigThief

lol

“My heart to Hit… you” lol

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by BigThief

lol

He said “My heart goes out to you,” and made a gesture like he was grabbing his heart and flinging it. He did not do the Nazi salute, which is holding your arm straight in front of you and raised at a 45-degree angle. If a real Nazi had tried to salute like that, he’d have been yelled at till his ears fell off.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

The Flames were still rumored to be in on Byram, and Cozens before that. So there was definitely an appetite to spend money.

There's nothing wrong with trying to acquire 24 year olds. It's the players that are hitting 30 that they should stay away from.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Which he didn't even do. I've seen the original video. I've also seen dozens of still photos of politicians making the exact same gesture. But the PR fallout was still there.

*shakes head and walks away, muttering*

Here is another example where someone shouldn’t follow up on their comments.

It’s good advice for the NHL, and it’s good advice for calgarypuck.

[taxbuster]

Really, at the end of the day, all any of us can do is wait until the TDL...and then vote on the results to that point with our various wallets.


I certainly hope all this turns out to be smoke and mirrors and that Conny continues to guide the ship. I'm worried that the dumb *&(())_*s who seem to be in charge however, think they're the smartest hockey folks in the room and have other ideas. If that's true, the Oilers and Sabres will both look comparatively like geniuses.

[FanIn80]

Erik Karlsson
Traded to Pittsburgh by San Jose with Dillon Hamaliuk and a 3rd-round pick in the 2026 NHL Draft for Mikael Granlund, Mike Hoffman, Jan Ruuta and a 1st-round pick in 2024, August 6, 2023.

Mikael Granlund
Traded to Dallas by San Jose with Cody Ceci for a 1st-round pick and 3rd-round pick in the 2025 NHL Draft, February 1, 2025.

Mike Hoffman
Contract expired at the end of that season, was not extended by San Jose

Jan Rutta
Contract expired two seasons later, was not extended by San Jose

Sharks turned Karlsson into two firsts and a third... they didn't young roster pieces to help them make the playoffs. They wanted draft picks and/or pieces they could flip for more draft picks... they did that by taking on Hoffman's contract and packaging tradeable piece they got with another one of their players. They let the contracts they couldn't move (Hoffman and Ruta) expire without even trying to re-sign them.

They turned Temo Mier into a pile of picks the same way.

That's how you trade a player that everyone wants when you're rebuilding. Stockpile draft picks and fill up your roster with post-prime contracts that contenders are trying to get rid of, knowing that doing so will also ensure your team finishes at the bottom, maximizing the value of your own picks in the process.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Erik Karlsson
Traded to Pittsburgh by San Jose with Dillon Hamaliuk and a 3rd-round pick in the 2026 NHL Draft for Mikael Granlund, Mike Hoffman, Jan Ruuta and a 1st-round pick in 2024, August 6, 2023.

Mikael Granlund
Traded to Dallas by San Jose with Cody Ceci for a 1st-round pick and 3rd-round pick in the 2025 NHL Draft, February 1, 2025.

Mike Hoffman
Contract expired at the end of that season, was not extended by San Jose

Jan Rutta
Contract expired two seasons later, was not extended by San Jose

Sharks turned Karlsson into two firsts and a third... they didn't young roster pieces to help them make the playoffs. They wanted draft picks and/or pieces they could flip for more draft picks... they did that by taking on Hoffman's contract and packaging tradeable piece they got with another one of their players. They let the contracts they couldn't move (Hoffman and Ruta) expire without even trying to re-sign them.

They turned Temo Mier into a pile of picks the same way.

That's how you trade a player that everyone wants when you're rebuilding. Stockpile draft picks and fill up your roster with post-prime contracts that contenders are trying to get rid of, knowing that doing so will also ensure your team finishes at the bottom, maximizing the value of your own picks in the process.

* After missing playoffs for three years and saying they won’t rebuild

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Bonded

* After missing playoffs for three years and saying they won’t rebuild

I don't know about that, but I do know they fired their GM and brought in Mike Grier who literally tore it all up for draft picks and built a new core from the draft (they got Askarov from the Preds though).

Meir was only 26 when Grier turned him into picks.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I don't know about that, but I do know they fired their GM and brought in Mike Grier who literally tore it all up for draft picks and built a new core from the draft (they got Askarov from the Preds though).

Meir was only 26 when Grier turned him into picks.

When Grier was hired he said his plan wasn’t to rebuild and the owner was publicly saying a rebuild wasn’t in the cards the summer before. The only thing I think is iffy with the Flames right now is Conroy’s contract status.

https://www.nhl.com/news/sharks-new-...uild-334813490

https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/02/...-surprise/amp/

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Erik Karlsson
Traded to Pittsburgh by San Jose with Dillon Hamaliuk and a 3rd-round pick in the 2026 NHL Draft for Mikael Granlund, Mike Hoffman, Jan Ruuta and a 1st-round pick in 2024, August 6, 2023.

Mikael Granlund
Traded to Dallas by San Jose with Cody Ceci for a 1st-round pick and 3rd-round pick in the 2025 NHL Draft, February 1, 2025.

Mike Hoffman
Contract expired at the end of that season, was not extended by San Jose

Jan Rutta
Contract expired two seasons later, was not extended by San Jose

Sharks turned Karlsson into two firsts and a third... they didn't young roster pieces to help them make the playoffs. They wanted draft picks and/or pieces they could flip for more draft picks... they did that by taking on Hoffman's contract and packaging tradeable piece they got with another one of their players. They let the contracts they couldn't move (Hoffman and Ruta) expire without even trying to re-sign them.

They turned Temo Mier into a pile of picks the same way.

That's how you trade a player that everyone wants when you're rebuilding. Stockpile draft picks and fill up your roster with post-prime contracts that contenders are trying to get rid of, knowing that doing so will also ensure your team finishes at the bottom, maximizing the value of your own picks in the process.

They also traded Brent Burns for a 3rd round pick (fantastic asset management) lost Evander Kane for nothing, kept Kevin Lebanc so long that he actually became worthless and they got nothing for him, never got anything for Joe Thornton, never traded Logan Couture before he got injured despite him being 34 years old.

There is a lot to learn from the Sharks flawless rebuild.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Bonded

When Grier was hired he said his plan wasn’t to rebuild and the owner was publicly saying a rebuild wasn’t in the cards the summer before. The only thing I think is iffy with the Flames right now is Conroy’s contract status.

https://www.nhl.com/news/sharks-new-...uild-334813490

https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/02/...-surprise/amp/

Sounds like the Flames.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Meh. They can flip Frost for a top 50 pick. That was a good asset management trade.

I agree with you I have no problem with the trade and I think they can recoup the value if they flip those guys later. Sure hasn’t made them a better team though.

That move made sense last year. I would like to see them make moves that make sense this year. I think they will but I do understand the angst the Maloney interview caused.

[ST20]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

lol

For the last two years they've done nothing but trade older players for picks, prospects and younger players and hover around the cap floor with the payroll.

They are rebuilding. The proof is in what they do, not what they say.

Until they change what they are doing, I'm not buying the BS

Rebuilding is hard. Everything that they have said and have done in the past suggests that they will take try to take short cuts to be mildly as competitive as possible. This is the Flames culture and it starts from top down. The culture of this franchise to always want to compete even if winning it all is highly unlikely. Culture is not winning or losing. Those are outcomes. Culture is "shared beliefs, values, and traditions." They believe that this City cannot withstand a rebuild for a top pick and they value being competitive enough to sell tickets and not to win it all. This is culture that influences everything the franchise does from how decisions are made in management, how the team is run, and the players compete level on the ice.

I think this is what fans are complaining about. The fans are worried that any progress made during the rebuilding process will be short cut as soon as the opportunity arises for the team to accelerate plan to "compete" now. It is not that fans think that they are not rebuilding... The franchise has been forced to intentionally or not (there is also a wide spectrum for levels of rebuilding/re-tooling).

People say look at actions and not just words (I don't think all of these things are necessarily bad but I am just trying to show how it fits the narrative that people are worried about):
- They asked for players and communicated to the fanbase that they want players to compete now / "fit" the timeline back in trades (Miromanov, Sharangovich, Frost, Farabee, Bahl) instead of futures.
- They preferred to *initially* re-sign key core $$ pieces before moving on (Anderson, Lindholm, Hanifan).
- They place a heavy emphasis on vets rather than putting young players in position to succeed (re-signing Backlund, not giving Parekh PP1 in pre season even though PP has been atrocious since last year with the same players, not giving Parekh a stable partner, Sending Gridin down when the team can't score... Zary and Bennett before him)
- Going further back - trying to accelerate the Johnny/Monnny/Chucky core rebuild... Hamilton Trade, Hamonic Trade, Elliot Trade, James Neal, Huberdeau trade (instead of re-building)

It is the way they are re-building that many people have an issue with. Although it is a different GM it is the owner and organizational structure that have made decisions that put Calgary and the mushy middle and made them largely irrelevant for the past 30 years.

The history of actions by the Flames is what makes people freak out when you hear the President of Hockey Ops come out and say these things. People keep pointing to staying away from words and looking at actions but they seem to avoid the entire history of the Franchise. Culture outlasts GMs and that intuitional knowledge and memory is what everyone is freaking out about.

Even if the Flames came in last and drafted McKenna how many of you would be confident that the team would not trade away a bunch of first round picks or all of the promising looking prospects that the Flames have accumulated over the last two years? Also for a team that has been re-building for the last 3 years as many have put it... The Flames are ranked in the 20s with only one player in the top 50 for Core pieces under 24 years old by TSN (*take these rankings with a grain of salt and Wolf just turned 24 so was not eligible).

They are far from nearing the end of a re-build even if they draft #1 this year and this President is talking about competing...

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Sounds like the Flames.

100%. People should really be pointing towards the Blackhawks who rebuilt the rebuild to get Bedard as the gold standard of rebuilds and not the Sharks.

Flames are closely tracking the Sharks rebuild so far.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Pelletier - born 2001 - prospect
Farabee - born 2000 - veteran

Farabee -300+ games at the time of the deal
Pelletier - around 60 games at the time of the deal

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Farabee -300+ games at the time of the deal
Pelletier - around 60 games at the time of the deal

Pelletier wasn’t really a prospect when he was traded. He was a guy failing to crack the lineup.