[News] Sportsnet interview with Maloney (2-parter)

[saillias]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Imagine Treliving and then Conroy both turning down extensions and walking away from this team.

I mean we hear noise about the Buffalo job and insiders like Dreger and Seravalli have not been shy about going after Adams, a front office overall is heavily speculated. Drury is also widely despised by the Rangers fanbase from what I've seen, and they are a mess. Conroy is from New York.

It would not be difficult to imagine that without job security he starts putting out feelers. Why wouldn't he. Same way that Treliving probably did, how he managed to instantly pop up in Toronto a few weeks after exiting Calgary.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't really care about PR, and I am certainly not pinning anything on what a POHO says in an interview. I've seen too many examples of teams sayng one thing and doing the opposite (players too for that matter).

Of course YOU don’t care you have been trying to go against anyone with anything negative about the org for the past few weeks. I don’t have an issue with your stance but completely understand why others are responding in a concerned way. The org avoided the Iginla rebuild until they had no choice and sped up the Gaudreau build at their first opportunity.

[Strange Brew]

It comes down to whether the organization is willing to go further than just trading Andersson this year. I sure as hell hope they realize how bad the current roster is and move Kadri for some help for the future.

It's been 18 months since Conroy made a rebuilding type trade. His only trade since then saw him sending picks for players.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The org avoided the Iginla rebuild until they had no choice and sped up the Gaudreau build at their first opportunity.

Even that was about as half-assed of a "rebuild" as you could have. It wasn't completely embraced by management, personally I don't even count it as one.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

For those of us who see Buffalo as a cautionary tale for rebuilds (i don't care what you call it), this week has been a sad step in that direction.

- Out of nowhere, we resurfaced a bunch of public questions surrounding the Flames organization and its direction

- Maloney making the cardinal mistake about talking acceptable / unacceptable trade returns. You should never corner yourself publicly about such matters.

- People are now unsure if the GM has a future, which creates instability and begets more questions.

- Eventually these questions will filter down to the players. If/when the players start getting asked about off-ice matters regarding the organization and its direction, then the circus is officially in town.

All over nothingburger 5 minute interview. Easiest thing was to say nothing for a week and let it all blow over.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Of course YOU don’t care you have been trying to go against anyone with anything negative about the org for the past few weeks. I don’t have an issue with your stance but completely understand why others are responding in a concerned way. The org avoided the Iginla rebuild until they had no choice and sped up the Gaudreau build at their first opportunity.

Why would anyone really care about PR? What real effect does it have?
You are talking about things that actually happened, not the PR around them.

I don’t care about the organization. I just push back against the over the top reactions to everything that is heard. Even this interview is a bunch of half statements and nothing concrete. It’s political speak - just done badly.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Of course YOU don’t care you have been trying to go against anyone with anything negative about the org for the past few weeks. I don’t have an issue with your stance but completely understand why others are responding in a concerned way. The org avoided the Iginla rebuild until they had no choice and sped up the Gaudreau build at their first opportunity.

I don’t think anyone’s denying that there’s been some obvious missteps in the past. And I won’t speak for OP but for me actions speak louder than words.

We’ve had executives say all the right things before and then #### it up when it comes time to carry out that vision. This doesn’t feel that much different to me. Previously we were hoodwinked by a GM that said all the right things and then made the wrong moves.

Now that we have a POHO that’s not saying exactly what we want but the GM is making the right moves I find it very difficult to panic.

I’ll save my panicking for when the organization ####s up. Until then I’m happy with the moves they’ve made so far. And even if that interview doesn’t perfectly align with the vision that I want them to take as long as the actual moves align with that vision he can say anything the #### he wants.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It comes down to whether the organization is willing to go further than just trading Andersson this year. I sure as hell hope they realize how bad the current roster is and move Kadri for some help for the future.

It's been 18 months since Conroy made a rebuilding type trade. His only trade since then saw him sending picks for players.

Right now Shane Vansaghi has 1 goal and 2 assists in his sophomore season at Michigan State in 11 games. Probably too early to determine whether he would have been a crucial piece and the 7th rounder is not until 2028.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Why would anyone really care about PR? What real effect does it have?
You a re talking about things that actually happened, not the PR around them.

Words speak louder than actions for some.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I don’t think anyone’s denying that there’s been some obvious missteps in the past. And I won’t speak for OP but for me actions speak louder than words.

We’ve had executives say all the right things before and then #### it up when it comes time to carry out that vision. This doesn’t feel that much different to me. Previously we were hoodwinked by a GM that said all the right things and then made the wrong moves.

Now that we have a POHO that’s not saying exactly what we want but the GM is making the right moves I find it very difficult to panic.

I’ll save my panicking for when the organization ####s up. Until then I’m happy with the moves they’ve made so far. And even if that interview doesn’t perfectly align with the vision that I want them to take as long as the actual moves align with that vision he can say anything the #### he wants.

You didn’t speak for me, but you said exactly what I mean.

[Rhett44]

I'm not giving an organization who has 2 playoff wins in 20 years the benefit of the doubt, sorry. I really don't think this is some master plan to get more value from our players.

Friedman said we are not willing to rebuild.
Dreger said the exact same thing.
Pat Steinberg also said we are not at the point where we would start tearing it down.
Maloney himself comes out and says this is not a rebuild.

Like, at what point do you start believing what literally every person is telling you? Including media personnel and the President of Hockey Operations on the team himself.

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I'm not giving an organization who has 2 playoff wins in 20 years the benefit of the doubt, sorry. I really don't think this is some master plan to get more value from our players.

Friedman said we are not willing to rebuild.
Dreger said the exact same thing.
Pat Steinberg also said we are not at the point where we would start tearing it down.
Maloney himself comes out and says this is not a rebuild.

Like, at what point do you start believing what literally every person is telling you? Including media personnel and the President of Hockey Operations on the team himself.

Exactly, we want to believe this is a rebuild/going for a rebuild because that is the painfully obvious thing to do but its the flames.. a team that as you mentioned has had 2 playoff series wins and the best season in the last 20 years was losing 4-1 in the SECOND round. Sad. Beyond Sad at this point.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by saillias

I mean we hear noise about the Buffalo job and insiders like Dreger and Seravalli have not been shy about going after Adams, a front office overall is heavily speculated. Drury is also widely despised by the Rangers fanbase from what I've seen, and they are a mess. Conroy is from New York.

It would not be difficult to imagine that without job security he starts putting out feelers. Why wouldn't he. Same way that Treliving probably did, how he managed to instantly pop up in Toronto a few weeks after exiting Calgary.

Yes Tre is ruining Toronto like he ruined Calgary, same playbook.

Right around the time Maloney is giving his interview, Tre just gave the ‘yes we are underachieving and the buck stops with me’ press conference

Two defenses of franchise underachievement that really are both the product of Treliving- his long term impact here and his short term impact in Toronto

On this thread, it’s a wild scene. Lots of people insulted and offended, butt hurt and unglued.

The organization is not going to say out loud the exact same thing the children here personally want to hear… grow up, it’s not personal.

A team should want to have its drafting be like Dallas, in the sense that getting an impact player at whatever pick you have is a good thing. No matter where the Flames finish, they have the Vegas first. They should invest in scouting and want their drafting to be a differentiator.

If you don’t think they would love a top 3 pick, you’re a fool, but they won’t say they are tanking a month in

And Cosentino’s rankings had Voerhoff 1 and McKenna 2 right now. It’s not a swipe. There is legitimate debate

Some wild stuff here

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Why would anyone really care about PR? What real effect does it have?
You are talking about things that actually happened, not the PR around them.

I don’t care about the organization. I just push back against the over the top reactions to everything that is heard. Even this interview is a bunch of half statements and nothing concrete. It’s political speak - just done badly.

Try looking up some examples of bad PR moments and how they have negatively impacted businesses. How likely are you to buy a Tesla knowing their CEO busts out the seig heil? Hell it dominated the news cycle for months until Tesla and Musk laid low for the last while.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Like, at what point do you start believing what literally every person is telling you? Including media personnel and the President of Hockey Operations on the team himself.

Calling it a retooling or a rebuild is just a useless exercise in semantics. They are looking to improve the team for the long term over the short term.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Try looking up some examples of bad PR moments and how they have negatively impacted businesses. How likely are you to buy a Tesla knowing their CEO busts out the seig heil?

Which he didn't even do. I've seen the original video. I've also seen dozens of still photos of politicians making the exact same gesture. But the PR fallout was still there.

*shakes head and walks away, muttering*

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Right now Shane Vansaghi has 1 goal and 2 assists in his sophomore season at Michigan State in 11 games. Probably too early to determine whether he would have been a crucial piece and the 7th rounder is not until 2028.

Who Philly ended up picking doesn’t mean much to me. By the deadline they were able to net a 2nd, 3rd and 7th by giving up 2 guys with team control who didn’t factor into their long term plans. Sign me up.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Calling it a retooling or a rebuild is just a useless exercise in semantics. They are looking to improve the team for the long term over the short term.

Read the rest of the article then. If you don't understand why people are upset, read what Maloney is saying.

It is insulting to the fans.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I don’t think anyone’s denying that there’s been some obvious missteps in the past. And I won’t speak for OP but for me actions speak louder than words.

We’ve had executives say all the right things before and then #### it up when it comes time to carry out that vision. This doesn’t feel that much different to me. Previously we were hoodwinked by a GM that said all the right things and then made the wrong moves.

Now that we have a POHO that’s not saying exactly what we want but the GM is making the right moves I find it very difficult to panic.

I’ll save my panicking for when the organization ####s up. Until then I’m happy with the moves they’ve made so far. And even if that interview doesn’t perfectly align with the vision that I want them to take as long as the actual moves align with that vision he can say anything the #### he wants.

I wouldn’t classify myself as someone panicking either but I can understand why people are taking the words that Maloney has said and correlated it to the actions of the organization in the past and it feels like we have the same message we have heard for 30+ years that has resulted in a completely mediocre product most of the time and some of the most average results a team could hope for.

Aren’t the flames the only team in the last 20+ years to not pick in the top 3 or make it to the third round?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I'm not giving an organization who has 2 playoff wins in 20 years the benefit of the doubt, sorry. I really don't think this is some master plan to get more value from our players.

Friedman said we are not willing to rebuild.
Dreger said the exact same thing.
Pat Steinberg also said we are not at the point where we would start tearing it down.
Maloney himself comes out and says this is not a rebuild.

Like, at what point do you start believing what literally every person is telling you? Including media personnel and the President of Hockey Operations on the team himself.

How daft can you be to not see them trade away all of their good players, and insist on listening to what they say and ignoring what they do?