Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

If you think your role is to just say no to everything without compromise, as PP has done, then don't complain when a 3rd party comes in and gets what they want instead of you. PP complained constantly that Singh and the NDP had too much influence on policy, but that was HIS fault. He could have worked with the Liberals on key policy to get a compromise, instead, he stomped his feet and complained while Singh saw an opportunity to get what he wanted

You are acting as if the Liberal party under Trudeau was doing anything other than grandstanding on ideology and had plans to ever work with the CPC.

Trudeau has zero intention of negotiating, in fact in 2020 when all parties were in agreement to help Canadians in an emergency crisis (yes that means the CPC was fully onboard), the Liberals used the crisis and tried to sneak in a blank check for themselves to allow zero consultation on any spending with zero accountability.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/hou...bill-1.5507499

Liberals / Trudeau have never acted in good faith and Singh enabled the Liberals a carte blanche for his own personal benefit ahead of the party fortunes which allowed rampant deep corruption and bad policies such as online harms bill to go unchecked. You may personally agree with these policies, but Canadians overwhelming did not, and Trudeau and Singh have been kicked to the curb as a result (as well as many disastrous policies especially in the last few years taking their tolls). It's no secret why Carney and his caucus consistently criticize the previous government as if it's not the same party.


And considering the CPC / Poilievre has supported the Liberal C-5 bill where it directly benefits Canadians and cutting red tape, your claims are clearly unfounded and not accurate. CPC does vote in favour with the government when it benefits Canadians despite being opposition (they of course as opposition still needed to criticize and they did). Note the NDP did not.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/45/1/34

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Liberal
Yea: 166
Nay: 1
Paired: 1
Conservative
Yea: 140
Nay: 0
Paired: 1
Bloc Québécois
Yea: 0
Nay: 22
Paired: 0
NDP
Yea: 0
Nay: 7
Paired: 0
Green Party
Yea: 0
Nay: 1
Paired: 0

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

It's Trudeau's fault PP is a crappy leader.

No, you just don’t hand the Opposition easy talking points when you’re a minority government in a neck and neck race.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by peter12

No, you just don’t hand the Opposition easy talking points when you’re a minority government in a neck and neck race.

Yeah, saying the governing party is doing a good job when you want to be the governing party and want to be elected, is a recipe to just be passed over for said other party (hence why Singh and the NDP clinging their party fortunes to a sinking ship caused them to have the worst showing in 40 years)

[Blaster86]

If you're not supposed to hand out easy talking points when you're a minority government's official opposition leader, why does Pierre keep handing out easy talking points while he's a minority government's official opposition leader?

[BigThief]

Attempting to call someone out for homophobia then ending half your posts with "give you a little kiss" is a little weird. And I get there's people who lack genuine positive social interaction but turning every thread into a faux buddy chat thread is actually odd.

Also whoever said I'm awesome was factually correct. Also Pierre Polliviere is a smug little weirdo.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Firebot

That isn't their role. Their role is to voice differing views. This means even in a situation where the party agrees with a bill, they must still criticize.

This is entirely untrue.

[MissTeeks]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1986568251346763843



There goes another conservative MP.

[Johnny Makarov]

PP just keeps on winning! He is an unstoppable deplorable steamroller! lolololol

[Izzle]

If this stand then Elizabeth May is kingmaker right?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Izzle

If this stand then Elizabeth May is kingmaker right?

lol the old windbag won't make a difference. The NDP will abstain from voting and that will push the budget through.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Izzle

If this stand then Elizabeth May is kingmaker right?

That Edmonton MP isn't crossing the floor, he's resigning, so the Liberals are still 2 seats short of a majority I think

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

That Edmonton MP isn't crossing the floor, he's resigning, so the Liberals are still 2 seats short of a majority I think

Interesting rumours circling this news.... allegedly after the rumours came out that a second floor crossing was coming, PP and the party whip informed the conservative caucus that if anyone else crossed the floor that he would go after them, dig up dirt on them, and blackmail them.

Might not be true but it sure seems on brand with his leadership style.

[Wolven]

hahahahhahaha

And then PP stood up and complained about the budget for 25 minutes and then forgot to do his job to submit an amendment to the budget, so the Bloc jumped in and submitted theirs instead. Now the Bloc's amendment will be the primary feedback on the budget.

He is so bad at his job he forgot to do a crucial, primary component of it. All he wants is the sound bites.

[BigThief]

Has his job required literally anything of him since he became an MP again? The one thing he was supposed to do.. nah bloviate instead.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

This is entirely untrue.

Oh man. Do some reading.

https://learn.parl.ca/understanding-...se-of-commons/

Opposition MPs challenge government policies and hold the government accountable for its actions. When the House is sitting, opposition MPs play an important role in questioning the government about its actions and decisions during Question Period. Opposition MPs may also introduce new legislation in the form of a private member’s bill.

[Looch City]

Holy #### Pierre Poileivre is such a massive loser. Has there even been a worse Conservative party leader?

My god man. Just resign. Or drag down your entire party with you lol

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Wolven

hahahahhahaha

And then PP stood up and complained about the budget for 25 minutes and then forgot to do his job to submit an amendment to the budget, so the Bloc jumped in and submitted theirs instead. Now the Bloc's amendment will be the primary feedback on the budget.

He is so bad at his job he forgot to do a crucial, primary component of it. All he wants is the sound bites.

But Peter said he was good at his job. I picture Peter being a big PP at his job hahahaha

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Holy #### Pierre Poileivre is such a massive loser. Has there even been a worse Conservative party leader?

My god man. Just resign. Or drag down your entire party with you lol

Why would any Liberal want him to resign? Carney wanted him back in the house asap!

He makes Stockwell Day look like Churchill! lol PP is the gift that keeps giving.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Firebot

That isn't their role. Their role is to voice differing views. This means even in a situation where the party agrees with a bill, they must still criticize.

The CPC put a motion asking to remove oil and gas emissions cap that was defeated earlier this year, yet all of a sudden it's part of the budget. That's politics.

I think you’re misinterpreting what I’m saying. You are using the term criticize to define their entire role and my view is that while criticism definitely needs to be a part of their role at times it shouldn’t be their default position or primary objective. That approach is one of the biggest problems in politics these days.

They need to be their to provide counter points and/or different perspectives but that doesn’t always happen nor need to happen in a way that has to be defined as criticism.

If you are talking about d'Entremont, the CPC deserves to fall apart. Poilievre almost single handedly turfed their chances of governing in what should have been the biggest gimme election they could have dreamed. Carney and the Liberals also wouldn't have won the election if MPs within the party didn't do a full blown mutiny against Trudeau. All of a sudden, the bloc defending carbon taxes starts bashing it as soon as Trudeau is out of the picture, and now it's gone. Funny how that happens..

I’m just talking about how accountability shouldn’t be a partisan thing. I know, I know pipe dream but I think the voters can play a role in addressing the problem.

[peter12]

Yeah can’t see anything but the writing on the wall for Poilievre.