2025 World Series - Toronto Blue Jays vs Los Angeles Dodgers

[Jiggy_12]

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[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Completely different, unless you think you can pull off the suicide squeeze.

They most likely would have bunted, had Straw scored. Try to tie the game in the 9th, then go from there.

It’s not a force at home. They aren’t going to be holding him at all on 3rd since his run doesn’t matter .

If the bunt is so bad they can get the force at home they would also had been able to get Barger out at 3rd .

Zero chance Clement bunts there . Zero

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

So why not do the same thing with 2nd and 3rd?

A bad bunt the guy is out at 3rd the same way he would be out at home

Because you don't risk the guy on 3rd being out at home.

No way you bunt with no one out and a guy on 3rd

[kevman]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Weird ending. So promising, and then over in a split second

That was the though part. Two runners in scoring position with zero outs is good for 2 runs on average. To end with zero is disappointing, to do it on a double play ball with an over .700 xBA hit by Giminez is very unlucky.

I don't blame Barger. The rookie lets his emotions get the best of him against the billion dollar all star team that won last year. It's easy to "act like you've been there before" when you have.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by fotze2

What a dumb sport.

I could give a fata about the sport but went to buds place who loves baseball and kid plays high level. By the end screaming for the jays.

The ball is there in the wall, it barely impeded anything, honestly run yaa. Nope ground rule double. What? I don’t know the rules. It’s there, grab it and make a play. Nope this is baseball, where everything is dumb.

Why do they have jr high school mats on the walls for a trillion dollar business.

Joke sport. I was was all pumped where I was not just previously cause a ball is wedged but clearly accessible. Fata this sport.

You think if that isn’t the rule the OF stands there letting them run around hahaha

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

So why not do the same thing with 2nd and 3rd?

A bad bunt the guy is out at 3rd the same way he would be out at home

Bunting someone home is very difficult. Bunting from 2nd to 3rd is much more routine

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

It’s not a force at home. They aren’t going to be holding him at all on 3rd since his run doesn’t matter .

If the bunt is so bad they can get the force at home they would also had been able to get Barger out at 3rd .

Zero chance Clement bunts there . Zero

They aren’t bunting with a guy on 3rd.

Whether they have Clement bunt if it's 3-2 and Barger on 2nd is anybody's guess. I thi k they would, but we'll never know

[edslunch]

It’s the old saying, you need to lose before you can win. There. They lost.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Because you don't risk the guy on 3rd being out at home.

No way you bunt with no one out and a guy on 3rd

That makes zero sense - both guys have to score to tie either way

The guy on third can basically get a walking lead because LA won’t care about him at all - he doesn’t matter only Barger did

If the bunt is so bad they can throw home on a non force - the same bunt is so bad Barger would be out at 3rd trying to advance from 2nd if Straw already scored

[GirlySports]

The Dodgers might not care about Straw but an out is an out and Home is much closer than 3rd. Plus the catcher is right there rather than the SS covering 3rd

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

That makes zero sense - both guys have to score to tie either way

The guy on third can basically get a walking lead because LA won’t care about him at all - he doesn’t matter only Barger did

If the bunt is so bad they can throw home on a non force - the same bunt is so bad Barger would be out at 3rd trying to advance from 2nd if Straw already scored

I don't know what else to say to you. There is no way they bunt with runners on 2nd and 3rd. No way.

When is the last time you saw a team do it?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Bunting someone home is very difficult. Bunting from 2nd to 3rd is much more routine

Not really on a non force

Bunting in general is a lot harder than people think .

It’s usually easier and results in more expected runs to try and hit a sac fly or hit a grounder with the infield back and potentially get a hit when a guy is on 3rd

Stats show it’s a low % play overall . But the Jays didn’t need to get the runner in from 3rd . They needed the runner in from 2nd

The guy on 3rd really didn’t matter . I can barely even picture a bunt that they go home for a force and get a runner who isn’t remotely held by LA but is good enough to advance Barger who they are holding close to 2nd so a base hit doesn’t score him !

[Beninho]

Don’t think i’ve had this feeling since game 6 in 04

Right in the stomach

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

That makes zero sense - both guys have to score to tie either way

The guy on third can basically get a walking lead because LA won’t care about him at all - he doesn’t matter only Barger did

If the bunt is so bad they can throw home on a non force - the same bunt is so bad Barger would be out at 3rd trying to advance from 2nd if Straw already scored

The 3rd baseman liky fields the bunt. It's difficult for him to get the runner at 3rd, but easier for him to get the runner at home.

It isn't happening

[ben voyonsdonc]

Bunting makes sense with guys at 1st and 3rd to potentially score a run and avoid a double play but definitely not with guys at 2nd and 3rd. You have to trust Clement there to get the ball in the air to the outfield. Sadly it didn’t happen.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't know what else to say to you. There is no way they bunt with runners on 2nd and 3rd. No way.

When is the last time you saw a team do it?

There’s also no way they bunt with a .400 hitter in the playoffs down 2 to bring up Giminez who can barely get it to the OF. Heck if they did he still didn’t hit it far enough to score !

My point is there was zero chance they are bunting - the lodged ball changed nothing in this situation .

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Ugh the next 24 hours are going to be excruciating

I will probably clean my house so well tomorrow during the day.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

So why not do the same thing with 2nd and 3rd?

A bad bunt the guy is out at 3rd the same way he would be out at home

Not saying you execute it properly, but a bunt to put runner at third with 1 out a run down with bottom of order up is the correct play, probably.
A 'suicide squeeze' is an entirely different animal.

[flamingred89]

All things considered the Jays are the better team. And have played better as a team. Except for Yamamoto. That's the best 300 million you could ever spend.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Not really on a non force

Bunting in general is a lot harder than people think .

It’s usually easier and results in more expected runs to try and hit a sac fly or hit a grounder with the infield back and potentially get a hit when a guy is on 3rd

Stats show it’s a low % play overall . But the Jays didn’t need to get the runner in from 3rd . They needed the runner in from 2nd

The guy on 3rd really didn’t matter . I can barely even picture a bunt that they go home for a force and get a runner who isn’t remotely held by LA but is good enough to advance Barger who they are holding close to 2nd so a base hit doesn’t score him !

Straw does matter though. If they get him out at home, Barger is no lo ger the tieing run.

You're wrong on this. Accept it and let it go.