I recall Nenshi talking about it in his press conference. What he said aligns with what others have already mentioned. I also recall him mentioning a number in the 200s that the NDP were improving or building. That number with the UPC is 0. He also mentioned that the education minister wanted money and received none in the budget.
There are schools currently being built. It is not enough but they are being built. I think it is important to trot out factual numbers for this. Are all of these projects not going ahead?
I’m sure adding teachers with no additional classrooms for them to teach in will have a massive impact on reducing the number of students in each class.
Do you mean this one? The start is pretty big. Gil came right out and said that the unions have one goal now: To topple this government.
HUGE.
Thanks for the link. I'm more whelmed than I was before. The prepared remarks were way too weak and vague.
They needed to:
1. explain clearly why the NWC was so egregious. Crystal clearly so that a 5th grader could understand
2. make a clear demand on what needs to happen (the gov't needs to retract the NWC and order teachers back to work through legitimate means)
3. make a big statement about repercussions if they do no. It's okay to stay vague on some details here, but the language needed to be big and impactful (it would be fine to temper it that it's not going to be a riot and frame it positively and productively)
4. sell it to members. Explain why a general strike is the best course of action if the gov't fails to adequately respond. Remind them that it is ultimately their choice. Reiterate #1 and explain the repercussions to every single union if we lose this battle. Explain how we are unstoppable if we truly band together with big enough numbers (he sort of hit this point eventually)
5. the above should already do it for the most part, but sell it to the public and make a better call to action...I'm not sure exactly what it would be, but it needs to be more than 'text a number and take a survey in a few days'
Then it would be fine to go on to talk about the longer term goals and all the common front stuff. But IMO they failed the headline test. They basically admitted it's just going to be another weekend protest...on a weekday. Maybe. Eventually. Possibly. But not necessarily.
Worst case scenario you end up failing to deliver on the threat for whatever reason. But today was not the time for a damp squib on the 'unprecedented action' they promised earlier. I desperately desperately hope that I am out of touch here...as a full blown socialist I'm feeling pretty uninspired, and I don't see why the Average Joe right-of-centre Albertan would feel any different?
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I’m sure adding teachers with no additional classrooms for them to teach in will have a massive impact on reducing the number of students in each class.
I 100% pro ATA on this. The issue is someone claimed Nenshi said zero schools were being built. This is not factual. I also understand that teachers being hired is what we need.
From the report i posted it said that all the new schools will be at 100% capacity before they are even built. Which is obviously problem.
How are they supposed to add teachers when they've just shown how little they think of them? I can't see very many outside the province deciding to come here now, and if I was studying to be a teacher in Alberta right now I sure as hell would be looking at opportunities in any other province as soon as I graduated
I 100% pro ATA on this. The issue is someone claimed Nenshi said zero schools were being built. This is not factual. I also understand that teachers being hired is what we need.
From the report i posted it said that all the new schools will be at 100% capacity before they are even built. Which is obviously problem.
Did he? I think Nenshi clearly said that the UCP have put $0 toward building schools since they made their big $8.6B promise to build schools. That is true. If you go look at the budget there is no money in there allocated toward building schools.
In the previous budget years the UCP did donate $43M to build a charter school, but that doesn't really count as adding a school to the public system. I think last year (before the big promise) they may have had plans to do 10 schools for Calgary but again, I am not sure if any of those have actually been budgeted.
The CBE does say that they have "shovel ready" projects that are waiting on money.
Did he? I think Nenshi clearly said that the UCP have put $0 toward building schools since they made their big $8.6B promise to build schools. That is true. If you go look at the budget there is no money in there allocated toward building schools.
In the previous budget years the UCP did donate $43M to build a charter school, but that doesn't really count as adding a school to the public system. I think last year (before the big promise) they may have had plans to do 10 schools for Calgary but again, I am not sure if any of those have actually been budgeted.
The CBE does say that they have "shovel ready" projects that are waiting on money.
I know someone that is doing contractor work on the schools. They are being built. One is in Bearspaw. Is it possible CBE has not received the money yet but other jurisdictions have ?
Hard morning for me with my daughter. She has an anxiety disorder and the start of the school year is always one of the most challenging times. This disruption early in the school year just put us back at square 1. The poor thing was so stressed she vomited on the way to school. We came back home to clean up, and then she vomited again when we arrived at the front of the school. To her credit she then went in and started the day and so far has been able to stay.
But these are the ways this impacts kids. I'm sure there are thousands of other stories of families who are dealing with all sorts of these complexities and challenges today.
My son and daughter were both stressed out in different ways. They definitely don't have it as bad as someone with an anxiety disorder. So I can feel bad for you and your daughter but I don't know just how hard it is on you. We just have to deal with a son who gets grumpy and snappy when he's stressed and a daughter who gets emotional and cries. Not easy but I'll take those over what you have to deal with. I hope the rest of school goes well for your daughter.
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A strong parallel to this is the farmers protest in India where India targeted Sikh farmers and how they can sell their product. It took the farmers nearly two years of jamming Delhi to get facist India and Modi to retreat.
I know someone that is doing contractor work on the schools. They are being built. One is in Bearspaw. Is it possible CBE has not received the money yet but other jurisdictions have ?
Are you sure it is a public school? A quick internet search says that the school being built in Bearspaw is a Christian school or the Three Sisters Centre which is being built by Renfrew Education Services.
It doesn't sound like either of those are for CBE public education.
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If you look at the 2025 Budget, there are a bunch of schools on the list, but they are all in the Design or Planning stages. None are in the construction phase.
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Thank you. I am doing my part by having debates with “always blue” supporters right now. I find that if you have bit of information wrong they will jump on it and crawl back into their misinformation bubble
From what I heard, it seemed to go alright. Lots of different teacher emotions from sadness to anger to content. Some students had to learn that a walkout didn’t mean playing soccer outside…so it sounds like everything is in mid season form. Lots of parents and students wearing read though which was nice.
The CBE stressed that today was more for reconnecting. Tomorrow there will be more details regarding next steps.
From downtown, my service unit was informed that if there’s a shortage of teachers due to teachers refusing to return, we’d be redeployed back into schools. But right now it doesn’t look like that will be an issue.
Schools in the NE had abysmal attendance, maybe due to the fact that many families didn’t know the strike was over.
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I’m finding most are just unaware of how the UCP could have handled it without using the not withstanding clause and not knowing what the not withstanding clause is.
At least this event will create a cohort of grade 6-12s in Alberta what the NWC is.
So far most I have talked was you explain what the not withstanding clause does agree that the UCP overstepped. But my conclusion is that the UCPs biggest advantage here is people not understanding what just happened.
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If you look at the 2025 Budget, there are a bunch of schools on the list, but they are all in the Design or Planning stages. None are in the construction phase.
Page 7 there are currently 4 new schools in the construction phase. Not enough, probably about 2/year pace, but not 0
Thanks for the link. I'm more whelmed than I was before. The prepared remarks were way too weak and vague.
Are you feeling pretty dismayed?
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They needed to:
1. explain clearly why the NWC was so egregious. Crystal clearly so that a 5th grader could understand
2. make a clear demand on what needs to happen (the gov't needs to retract the NWC and order teachers back to work through legitimate means)
3. make a big statement about repercussions if they do no. It's okay to stay vague on some details here, but the language needed to be big and impactful (it would be fine to temper it that it's not going to be a riot and frame it positively and productively)
4. sell it to members. Explain why a general strike is the best course of action if the gov't fails to adequately respond. Remind them that it is ultimately their choice. Reiterate #1 and explain the repercussions to every single union if we lose this battle. Explain how we are unstoppable if we truly band together with big enough numbers (he sort of hit this point eventually)
5. the above should already do it for the most part, but sell it to the public and make a better call to action...I'm not sure exactly what it would be, but it needs to be more than 'text a number and take a survey in a few days'
Then it would be fine to go on to talk about the longer term goals and all the common front stuff. But IMO they failed the headline test. They basically admitted it's just going to be another weekend protest...on a weekday. Maybe. Eventually. Possibly. But not necessarily.
Worst case scenario you end up failing to deliver on the threat for whatever reason. But today was not the time for a damp squib on the 'unprecedented action' they promised earlier. I desperately desperately hope that I am out of touch here...as a full blown socialist I'm feeling pretty uninspired, and I don't see why the Average Joe right-of-centre Albertan would feel any different?
The bolded here is the important piece that a lot of people don’t seem to fully understand. Even teachers and other Union members.
Unions by law have a duty to fairly represent their members. Members engaging in an illegal strike would give their employers just cause for termination. So to avoid any liability for misrepresentation they’re not going to ask their members to participate in an illegal strike without first making them aware of all of the potential repercussions. Once their members realize that they could lose their jobs you’re almost certainly going to see a meaningful drop off in support for that kind of strike action. Support could also be hampered by the charges and legal costs the Union risks facing for the unfair labour practices associated with engaging in an illegal strike, as it could cost a significant amount of money that their members may not be in favour of spending. There are likely some cases where they could even bankrupt locals.
This is why it is so crucial to have the general public supporting Unions. When the government knows voters won’t forgive them for allowing a strike like that to occur and putting tens of thousands of workers at risk of losing their jobs for doing the right thing the government is going to be inclined to avoid doing so or to fix it quickly if they end up in that position. When private businesses know that customers won’t support them if they fire employees for partaking in this type of collective action they are less likely to do so and more likely to put pressure on the government to fix the problem so that their business isn’t affected. Win/win.
When Unions know that voters and customers have their backs they have more leverage to take on these fights with because the lower the risk of job loss the higher the likelihood is that members would be willing to roll the dice.
So if you really want this to happen you’d be best served by starting a public petition stating that the signees will support unions in their fight by committing to not buy products from any businesses that fire employees for supporting this fight and to vote out the UCP if they don’t fix both this problem and the labour code they gutted.
Or you can keep complaining online about Unions getting your hopes up and not doing enough for you in the end…despite someone warning you to not get your hopes up in the first place
Are you sure it is a public school? A quick internet search says that the school being built in Bearspaw is a Christian school or the Three Sisters Centre which is being built by Renfrew Education Services.
It doesn't sound like either of those are for CBE public education.
There's one in Aspen behind the Safeway area they surveyed this summer junior high.
