[PGT] Flames lose to Vancouver

[Barnet Flame]

I understand why Wolf was picked for the back to back, but I do think he shouldn’t have still been out there for the final two goals when the game was already lost.

[Britflamesfan]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

I understand why Wolf was picked for the back to back, but I do think he shouldn’t have still been out there for the final two goals when the game was already lost.

Hi Barnet as a fellow Brit are you getting the pop up on Security every time you click its driving me nuts.

[Barnet Flame]

I’m not getting that.

Posting on an iPad if that info helps.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Jesus. We never won with Kipper after 2004 wasn't because he was burnt out and played poorly. It was because we could only score 1 goal a game on what could have been some of the worst offensive teams in NHL playoff history....

Plenty here have conveniently forgotten the 2008 and 2009 playoffs where his playoff stats started to decline.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Plenty here have conveniently forgotten the 2008 and 2009 playoffs where his playoff stats started to decline.

Yeah, posting career stats does nothing for this discussion. It was a huge topic of conversation in those years, for good reason.

And if burnout isn't/wasn't a factor, why do people think no goalies play more than 65 games now? The answer is to stay fresh for the playoffs. Period.

Lessons get learned.

[Enoch Root]

Counterpoint: the Flames don't have to worry about playoffs this year

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Plenty here have conveniently forgotten the 2008 and 2009 playoffs where his playoff stats started to decline.

Kipper was 31 in 2008/2009, soooo yes I would not start Wolf back to back to begin the season when he is 31 years old.

[CliffFletcher]

There’s a reason goalies - no matter how good they are - don’t get 60+ starts anymore*. Modern goaltending technique puts tremendous stress on their bodies. Winning a few more games over the next couple years isn’t worth increasing the risk of Wolf developing chronic hip problems that need to be corrected with surgery.

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2619044

* Vasilevsky and Saros have edged over that 60 number in recent years, but their play has suffered as a consequence.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

There’s a reason goalies - no matter how good they are - don’t get 60+ starts anymore*. Modern goaltending technique puts tremendous stress on their bodies. Winning a few more games over the next couple years isn’t worth increasing the risk of Wolf developing chronic hip problems that need to be corrected with surgery.

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2619044

* Vasilevsky and Saros have edged over that 60 number in recent years, but their play has suffered as a consequence.

Over the past 5 full NHL seasons there have been 28 instances of goalies playing 60+ games, including four instances of goalies playing 65+.

Saros/Vasilevsky combined only account for 6 of those 28 instances.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

He's right on the main point that it's a bad idea though. Especially for a goalie who becomes a starter at 23, as Wolf did, which for a goalie is on the earlier side. Look at the guy in the other net on Thursday - Demko became a full time starter at age 26, and despite only playing 60+ games once, has broken down in multiple ways. He's probably a bit of an outlier because he's always had hip problems, but the same does happen to a lot of goalies. Wear and tear is a real thing, unless you're Marc Andre Fleury, and there's a decent argument even in his case that his regular workload was a detriment to the quality he could give you each year.

Since Wolf is only 6 feet, that probably helps him with wear and tear on joints a bit compared to the 6'3"+ guys, but it's still a long road at a very demanding position and the difference between starting 50 games a season and 60+ is huge. Save those higher-workload seasons for years when the team is a contender IMO.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

He's right on the main point that it's a bad idea though. Especially for a goalie who becomes a starter at 23, as Wolf did, which for a goalie is on the earlier side. Look at the guy in the other net on Thursday - Demko became a full time starter at age 26, and despite only playing 60+ games once, has broken down in multiple ways. He's probably a bit of an outlier because he's always had hip problems, but the same does happen to a lot of goalies. Wear and tear is a real thing, unless you're Marc Andre Fleury, and there's a decent argument even in his case that his regular workload was a detriment to the quality he could give you each year.

Since Wolf is only 6 feet, that probably helps him with wear and tear on joints a bit compared to the 6'3"+ guys, but it's still a long road at a very demanding position and the difference between starting 50 games a season and 60+ is huge. Save those higher-workload seasons for years when the team is a contender IMO.

Not even that.

5'11.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Plenty here have conveniently forgotten the 2008 and 2009 playoffs where his playoff stats started to decline.

Haha…. wow. Tell me you are joking


His stats declined on the whole behind the Mike Keenan ‘sometimes the best defense is a good offense’ team

Only 2009 had worse stats and that’s when several players were playing with broken bones

It’s like you looked at the stats alone, and ‘conveniently forgot’ what was actually happening bigger picture