[GDT] Preseason Canucks @ Flames. 7pm MT. SN 360

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I was there too. Looked really bad. I agree something looked off. Not sure if the coaches were trying to implement a bunch of new systems.

PP and defensive coverage looked extremely poor.

New forecheck (just one player deep), more movement on the PP, more passive PK, from what I heard. It’s going to take at least 10 regular season games to evaluate the changes.

[dino7c]

Coach mentioned he liked 3 players...Zary, Pospisil, and Farabee

[Goriders]

Farabee has looked decent in preseason

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Are we seriously lamenting the loss of Vladar? Should we have over paid to keep him as a back up to talk him out of his starter dream? Give me a break. We need higher standards folks.

Enter Cooley and Prosvetov

[memphusk]

Everything is lining up nicely. Struggling in all areas and not knowing how to deploy the players is a perfect recipe for a new coach in a new arena. I dig it!

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by dino7c

But we are supposed to take "trust me bro" he told me personally while drunk at a christmas party in December seriously?

When his goalie coach says in pretty casual radio interview that Vladar told him that he wanted to be a starter and knew that wouldn't happen here I would say that is a far more reliable source.

Well couldn’t both be true? I mean I don’t think this poster has a history of outlandish claims. And he’s been a member since 2013. I’ll take him at his word. It definitely isn’t something I’d make up.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dino7c

With all due respect are you sure you just arent a little biased here? You have been saying for a week or two now that he has to be on the team. He looked really slow the last couple games. Gridin was better in both games, Kirkland was better last game. Like what did Kerins do that was so good to make him the 3rd best forward?

Kerins was a -3, the worst of any forward along with zero hits

I don't know, just the eye test. He looked like he was making smart plays all over the ice and trying. And there were several people throughout the thread that singled him out as one of the positives during the game as well.

I don't really care about +/- when our goalies are letting in muffins from the side boards all night.

It's also one preseason game in which almost all of the vets were absolutely brutal. I'm not too surprised with the results though, because last year Wolf completely hid how bad the roster was talent wise by stealing so many games. And he likely will have to continue that this year.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Gridin looked decent

Didn’t notice Kerins much

When you lose 8-1, it’s good you didn’t get noticed much.

[flame4life]

Fire the coach, can the GM, sell the team, stop the construction on the new arena. Good god people its preseason, you guys crack me up.

A number of things pointed to this outcome today, so I am not surprised and glad it happened so we can work on some stuff.

First, we are now seeing somewhat NHL ready lineups the last two games.
Second, our veterans who started their like 2nd game of preason looked like they just got off vacation.
Third, Huska was trying new lineup combinations to see if there is any spark (because he will need to do that if and when we run up against it in the regular season) - now is the time try it.
Fourth, missed assignments, some new linemates trying to get know each other, there were glaring errors that don't show up when you are soldified in your positions and assignments.

Both the backup goalies struggled for sure ... but I still have way more confidence in Prozvetov than I do in Cooley. The Flames were terrible in the first two periods and played marginally better after that. Wolf would have been let out to dry and while he likely would have had a two goal rather than a four goal deficit, this was a team fail and not so much the backup goalies. Something about Cooley rubs me wrong. From his joking the first game about doing the windmill for the fans, to his lack of positioning, I just hope that we don't judge this game as the one that makes the decision. Proz was way better than Cooley in his other opportunities by a mile.

Hope those of you are that are the ledge, get off it, it is just the preseason, but as always, I am entertained by your hysterical and over the top takes.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by D as in David

No kidding. Nothing that waiving tonight's entire roster wouldn't fix.

Last night was simply a team not ready to play a preseason game. Poor result but a good wake-up call for a team whose success depends on hard work. The reality is that this roster is not very good and overachieving last season has created unrealistic expectations. Very good chance they take a step back and hopefully they can get a much needed top 5 pick. This season has the smell of an unintended tank.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Last night was simply a team not ready to play a preseason game. Poor result but a good wake-up call for a team whose success depends on hard work. The reality is that this roster is not very good and overachieving last season has created unrealistic expectations. Very good chance they take a step back and hopefully they can get a much needed top 5 pick. This season has the smell of an unintended tank.

It's not just hard work but the main reason is Dustin Wolf. He stole so many points last year.

I truly believe that he made our team look way better than it actually is. We have a lot of aging and declining vets in the lineup. Without Wolf, we are a lottery team.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

The problem with preseason games like this is you don't learn very much from them. And that goes for both teams.

[Southside]

Surely a decent backup will hit the waiver wire in the next few days.

[Sandman]

Prosvetov crapped the bed last night, but he was arguably our best player in two other preseason games. I think if the players in front of him do their jobs, he’ll be fine.

[Royle9]

I cant believe we're trying to hang a handful of guys by name out to dry when the entire team including the coaches didn't show up last night.

That's one of those games where you press the reset button and forget about it.
Not a single person looked good, it took the entire team to play that bad.

It's crazy to me that 1 bad pre-season game results in people turning on Parekh, on a night where our youngest guy with the least experience was hung out to dry like the rest of the team.

"too slow"
"games too fast for him"
"he's not Quinn Hughes, never will be"
"has no idea what to do out there"

Jesus christ what am I reading...
The same could be said for every guy on that ice last night, it was garbage through and through.

Let's take a step back, allow some of these young guys specifically time to play more than 2-3 pre-season games and evaluate when the season is over?
It's like some were expecting him to carry this team back to victory last night.

Did he make some mistakes? Sure
Did he look in over his head at times? Sure
But everyone did, even the 10+ year veterans looked like pylons last night.
How many PP's did Rasmus pinch leading to a 2 or 3 on 1? I think I counted 3 or 4

Let's take a step back, relax and learn from this abysmal showing.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Saqe

He should have something to prove.

LOL

A 14 year veteran, assistant captain, 'should have something to prove' in preseason. Why? Because you want him to? For veterans, preseason is simply preparation for the regular season, when the games actually matter. Nothing more.

Get a grip.

[Toonage]

Re: the game, the chat was fun last night as this was an awful one and easy to joke about but genuinely hope (and do think) Huberdeau is ok. Pospisil I'm a little more concerned about. Been saying his play leaves him open to cheap shots and thats what happened last night. Solid shot to the jaw that easily could lead to another concussion. Hoping for the best.

Backup goal. Been saying for months that this was Prosvetov's job to lose and about all that would do it was an awful preseason. Well it was an awful game and a pretty average preseason. Cooley by and large has been worse so its Ivan's by default. But I have zero confidence in the guy. Henrick Karlsson 2.0

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I cant believe we're trying to hang a handful of guys by name out to dry when the entire team including the coaches didn't show up last night.

That's one of those games where you press the reset button and forget about it.
Not a single person looked good, it took the entire team to play that bad.

It's crazy to me that 1 bad pre-season game results in people turning on Parekh, on a night where our youngest guy with the least experience was hung out to dry like the rest of the team.

"too slow"
"games too fast for him"
"he's not Quinn Hughes, never will be"
"has no idea what to do out there"

Jesus christ what am I reading...
The same could be said for every guy on that ice last night, it was garbage through and through.

Let's take a step back, allow some of these young guys specifically time to play more than 2-3 pre-season games and evaluate when the season is over?
It's like some were expecting him to carry this team back to victory last night.

Did he make some mistakes? Sure
Did he look in over his head at times? Sure
But everyone did, even the 10+ year veterans looked like pylons last night.
How many PP's did Rasmus pinch leading to a 2 or 3 on 1? I think I counted 3 or 4

Let's take a step back, relax and learn from this abysmal showing.

You know, people ARE allowed to criticize the team when they play like ####. Parekh is not immune to criticism. He has been quite bad in his own zone for significant portions of every game he has played. There is a lot of talent there, but it might not be best served playing on an NHL team at 19 years old. He has a long way to go.

I guess that is the developmental question. Do you go the Edmonton route and promote a player too young and too raw and hope he sinks or swims in the NHL, potentially washing them out as they can't learn on the fly in the hardest league in the world.

Or do you find another option?

[Goriders]

Jets game on Saturday will be pretty telling. To see if they can right the ship with their starting goalie and hopefully better engagement. Per above the whole team played terrible outside of 10 or 15 minutes. Defensive coverage was brutal. Powerplay was also a big risk more than an advantage. The canucks were much more agressive giving the Flames no room to work. Hopefully just a blip. Guess we’ll see.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Re: the game, the chat was fun last night as this was an awful one and easy to joke about but genuinely hope (and do think) Huberdeau is ok. Pospisil I'm a little more concerned about. Been saying his play leaves him open to cheap shots and thats what happened last night. Solid shot to the jaw that easily could lead to another concussion. Hoping for the best.

Backup goal. Been saying for months that this was Prosvetov's job to lose and about all that would do it was an awful preseason. Well it was an awful game and a pretty average preseason. Cooley by and large has been worse so its Ivan's by default. But I have zero confidence in the guy. Henrick Karlsson 2.0

Was probably the most worrying part of last night. Most of the other items like defensive coverage can be fixed. Having a backup that can’t win a game is a big problem though.