Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Go Back   Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community > Main Forums > The Off Topic Forum
Register Forum Rules FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 09-30-2025, 03:25 PM   #15061
Scroopy Noopers
Pent-up
 
Scroopy Noopers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by puffnstuff View Post
Looks like war crimes are back on the menu.

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m22lpv7vup2b

Hegseth: "We unleash overwhelming and punishing violence on the enemy. We also don't fight with stupid rules of engagement. We untie the hands of our warfighters to intimidate, demoralize, hunt, and kill the enemies of our country. No more politically correct and overbearing rules of engagement."
…. How the #### does “politically correct” come up in that paragraph? Jesus Christ.
Scroopy Noopers is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2025, 03:28 PM   #15062
Senator Clay Davis
Franchise Player
 
Senator Clay Davis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Maryland State House, Annapolis
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ResAlien View Post
Sure sure a military coup solves all the problems. Solid idea no notes.
And I'm sure a coup where 70-90% of the military would support their God over their military superiors will be successful.
__________________
"Think I'm gonna be the scapegoat for the whole damn machine? Sheeee......."
Senator Clay Davis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2025, 04:35 PM   #15063
dissentowner
Franchise Player
 
dissentowner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ResAlien View Post
Sure sure a military coup solves all the problems. Solid idea no notes.
Great reply. The clown that thanked your post approves in your non thoughtful reply, it's all he knows.
dissentowner is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2025, 04:44 PM   #15064
ResAlien
Lifetime In Suspension
 
ResAlien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner View Post
Great reply. The clown that thanked your post approves in your non thoughtful reply, it's all he knows.
Oh I'm sorry did you think suggesting a literal military coup of the US government was a good idea worth discussing? Lot of meat on that bone for us to all pick at?
ResAlien is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to ResAlien For This Useful Post:
Old 09-30-2025, 04:46 PM   #15065
dissentowner
Franchise Player
 
dissentowner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ResAlien View Post
Oh I'm sorry did you think suggesting a literal military coup of the US government was a good idea worth discussing? Lot of meat on that bone for us to all pick at?
Is anything too crazy with what is happening down there right now? Like really?
dissentowner is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2025, 04:47 PM   #15066
BigThief
First Line Centre
 
BigThief's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2024
Exp:
Default

Hate this saying but my goodness, little rent free
BigThief is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2025, 04:48 PM   #15067
Senator Clay Davis
Franchise Player
 
Senator Clay Davis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Maryland State House, Annapolis
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner View Post
Is anything too crazy with what is happening down there right now? Like really?
Yes it's totally insane lol. Eventually could it happen? Maybe, likely not, but we're years away from that being a possibility. Much as we paint America as on the verge of collapse, it's not even remotely close.
__________________
"Think I'm gonna be the scapegoat for the whole damn machine? Sheeee......."
Senator Clay Davis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2025, 04:50 PM   #15068
BigThief
First Line Centre
 
BigThief's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2024
Exp:
Default

It's fantasy talk from someone who must not spend much time in reality
__________________
MMF is the tough as nails cop that "plays by his own rules". The force keeps suspending him when he crosses the line but he keeps coming back and then cracks a big case.
-JiriHrdina
BigThief is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2025, 04:51 PM   #15069
Senator Clay Davis
Franchise Player
 
Senator Clay Davis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Maryland State House, Annapolis
Exp:
Default

I'm no coup expert or anything, but how often do they happen in wealthy countries? Gotta be pretty rare.
__________________
"Think I'm gonna be the scapegoat for the whole damn machine? Sheeee......."
Senator Clay Davis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2025, 06:12 PM   #15070
activeStick
Franchise Player
 
activeStick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Exp:
Default

Not happening... Especially when way more than half of those serving probably disagree with the positions/policies of the left at minimum if not all out Trump/MAGA supporters.
activeStick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2025, 07:09 PM   #15071
dissentowner
Franchise Player
 
dissentowner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by activeStick View Post
Not happening... Especially when way more than half of those serving probably disagree with the positions/policies of the left at minimum if not all out Trump/MAGA supporters.
The hilarious thing I never said it would happen. I was refuting the fact that the military has no power to stop Trump.
dissentowner is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2025, 07:34 PM   #15072
Senator Clay Davis
Franchise Player
 
Senator Clay Davis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Maryland State House, Annapolis
Exp:
Default

I guess on a technicality you didn't directly use the word coup, but this is literally suggesting a coup lol

Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner View Post
Well actually they do. They can appoint a leader themselves they will listen to instead of the current Maga regime and take power away from him. What is he going to do if the military will no longer follow his orders?
If this isn't a coup, I'd love to know what else you think this is.
__________________
"Think I'm gonna be the scapegoat for the whole damn machine? Sheeee......."
Senator Clay Davis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2025, 07:35 PM   #15073
puffnstuff
Franchise Player
 
puffnstuff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: wearing raccoons for boots
Exp:
Default

Its a Kudetah!
puffnstuff is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to puffnstuff For This Useful Post:
Old 09-30-2025, 07:44 PM   #15074
Aarongavey
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis View Post
I guess on a technicality you didn't directly use the word coup, but this is literally suggesting a coup lol



If this isn't a coup, I'd love to know what else you think this is.
Ya that is not necessarily a coup. All military members have the right and indeed the duty to disobey illegal orders. Their oath is to the Constitution and not the Commander in Chief. The lawfulness of an order would go to Court Martial and through the military justice system until it potentially was heard at SCOTUS. So it would not necessarily be a coup and almost certainly the orders that one would not follow (use of military force against civilians) are likely illegal. Their use of the military in domestic law enforcement is illegal unless authorized by Congress. The Commander in Chief has no legal authority to authorize it unless there is an insurrection.
Aarongavey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2025, 07:44 PM   #15075
puffnstuff
Franchise Player
 
puffnstuff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: wearing raccoons for boots
Exp:
Default

So if you control the White House, the Senate, Congress and the Supreme Court the shut down is the fault of the other party.
Much like how I blame my farts on the dog I guess.
puffnstuff is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to puffnstuff For This Useful Post:
Old 10-01-2025, 01:15 AM   #15076
Barnet Flame
Franchise Player
 
Barnet Flame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Barnet - North London
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarongavey View Post
Ya that is not necessarily a coup. All military members have the right and indeed the duty to disobey illegal orders. Their oath is to the Constitution and not the Commander in Chief. The lawfulness of an order would go to Court Martial and through the military justice system until it potentially was heard at SCOTUS. So it would not necessarily be a coup and almost certainly the orders that one would not follow (use of military force against civilians) are likely illegal. Their use of the military in domestic law enforcement is illegal unless authorized by Congress. The Commander in Chief has no legal authority to authorize it unless there is an insurrection.
That looks like a reasonable suite of controls, right up until you consider the recent output from SCOTUS.
Barnet Flame is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2025, 02:40 AM   #15077
FlamesAddiction
Franchise Player
 
FlamesAddiction's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
Exp:
Default

So Trump said straight up that the military could use liberal cities in the U.S. "practice". Imagine that Biden said the same thing about Republican leaning regions when he was president? I bet there would be a lot of angry republicans. How can they not see this as fascist behaviour? He also repeated the "Canada as a 51st state" crap.
__________________
"A pessimist thinks things can't get any worse. An optimist knows they can."
FlamesAddiction is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2025, 04:36 AM   #15078
Itse
Franchise Player
 
Itse's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis View Post
I'm no coup expert or anything, but how often do they happen in wealthy countries? Gotta be pretty rare.
What does "wealthy" mean here? Argentina has had a few, Greece had one in '67. South Korea in '79. Portugal overthrew a dictator that way in '74. In Turkey the military has been throwing out governments multiple times in 20th century. Egypt is I not wealthy, but not exactly small or poor either, they had a military coup in 2013.

I would argue that a military ousting Trump and his cronies would be at this point by far the best option US has left.

The reason why many military coups have in fact been welcomed by general populations is pretty simple: they are almost always very quick, well organized events with few to no casualties. The other option is very often an outright civil war, which can to be some of the worst wars in history in terms of civilian deaths, length, brutality and instability created.

It's also not particularly rare for a military coup to lead to a democracy. Portugal is a an obvious example, and here's Turkish ones. It's fairly common that the military is ultimately not that interested in leading a country politically. In the case of a country like the US where joining the military very explicitly is not a way to have power over your own country, it probably doesn't attract people with dictatorial fantasies. Additionally with the way the US military is organized, there is no single strongman that would be likely to rise to lead the whole thing.

What they would be likely to do is throw a bunch of people they think are a problem into jail from every side, ban some people from running for office, and then let the then filtered rest sort themselves out in an election, where they can once again play "running the country" as long as they don't step on any Pentagon toes too much.

(Of course, logistically the US military is not terribly well setup for a coup. Bases are far from major population centers, they have relatively few boots to place on the ground compared to the size of the country, much of the force is air and naval, much of the military ia spread over the world... The existence of national guards organized by state and commanded by two layers of political leadership makes things even more complicated. This is of course intentional design to protect the country against a coup.

Plus far-right would probably recognize that as their moment to rise up, and they have all those federal agencies with lots of men and lots of Trump bootlickes in charge. And all those police forces with military gear.)

Last edited by Itse; 10-01-2025 at 05:02 AM.
Itse is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Itse For This Useful Post:
Old 10-01-2025, 07:17 AM   #15079
nfotiu
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Virginia
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by puffnstuff View Post
So if you control the White House, the Senate, Congress and the Supreme Court the shut down is the fault of the other party.
Much like how I blame my farts on the dog I guess.
It's 100% the Republicans fault. But Democrats could have prevented it.

I think Trump is pretty happy with a shutdown, and now he basically has all the power to run only the parts of the government he wants to. And there is no good exit ramp for the Democrats here. I don't see anything good coming out of this, and could be very bad.
nfotiu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2025, 08:08 AM   #15080
Maritime Q-Scout
Ben
 
Maritime Q-Scout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: God's Country (aka Cape Breton Island)
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis View Post
I guess on a technicality you didn't directly use the word coup, but this is literally suggesting a coup lol



If this isn't a coup, I'd love to know what else you think this is.
A sedan?
__________________

"Calgary Flames is the best team in all the land" - My Brainwashed Son
Maritime Q-Scout is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Maritime Q-Scout For This Useful Post:
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:29 PM.

Calgary Flames
2024-25




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021 | See Our Privacy Policy