American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Looks like war crimes are back on the menu.

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m22lpv7vup2b

Hegseth: "We unleash overwhelming and punishing violence on the enemy. We also don't fight with stupid rules of engagement. We untie the hands of our warfighters to intimidate, demoralize, hunt, and kill the enemies of our country. No more politically correct and overbearing rules of engagement."

…. How the #### does “politically correct” come up in that paragraph? Jesus Christ.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Sure sure a military coup solves all the problems. Solid idea no notes.

And I'm sure a coup where 70-90% of the military would support their God over their military superiors will be successful.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Sure sure a military coup solves all the problems. Solid idea no notes.

Great reply. The clown that thanked your post approves in your non thoughtful reply, it's all he knows.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Great reply. The clown that thanked your post approves in your non thoughtful reply, it's all he knows.

Oh I'm sorry did you think suggesting a literal military coup of the US government was a good idea worth discussing? Lot of meat on that bone for us to all pick at?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Oh I'm sorry did you think suggesting a literal military coup of the US government was a good idea worth discussing? Lot of meat on that bone for us to all pick at?

Is anything too crazy with what is happening down there right now? Like really?

[BigThief]

Hate this saying but my goodness, little rent free

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Is anything too crazy with what is happening down there right now? Like really?

Yes it's totally insane lol. Eventually could it happen? Maybe, likely not, but we're years away from that being a possibility. Much as we paint America as on the verge of collapse, it's not even remotely close.

[BigThief]

It's fantasy talk from someone who must not spend much time in reality

[Senator Clay Davis]

I'm no coup expert or anything, but how often do they happen in wealthy countries? Gotta be pretty rare.

[activeStick]

Not happening... Especially when way more than half of those serving probably disagree with the positions/policies of the left at minimum if not all out Trump/MAGA supporters.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Not happening... Especially when way more than half of those serving probably disagree with the positions/policies of the left at minimum if not all out Trump/MAGA supporters.

The hilarious thing I never said it would happen. I was refuting the fact that the military has no power to stop Trump.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I guess on a technicality you didn't directly use the word coup, but this is literally suggesting a coup lol

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well actually they do. They can appoint a leader themselves they will listen to instead of the current Maga regime and take power away from him. What is he going to do if the military will no longer follow his orders?

If this isn't a coup, I'd love to know what else you think this is.

[puffnstuff]

Its a Kudetah!

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I guess on a technicality you didn't directly use the word coup, but this is literally suggesting a coup lol



If this isn't a coup, I'd love to know what else you think this is.

Ya that is not necessarily a coup. All military members have the right and indeed the duty to disobey illegal orders. Their oath is to the Constitution and not the Commander in Chief. The lawfulness of an order would go to Court Martial and through the military justice system until it potentially was heard at SCOTUS. So it would not necessarily be a coup and almost certainly the orders that one would not follow (use of military force against civilians) are likely illegal. Their use of the military in domestic law enforcement is illegal unless authorized by Congress. The Commander in Chief has no legal authority to authorize it unless there is an insurrection.

[puffnstuff]

So if you control the White House, the Senate, Congress and the Supreme Court the shut down is the fault of the other party.
Much like how I blame my farts on the dog I guess.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Ya that is not necessarily a coup. All military members have the right and indeed the duty to disobey illegal orders. Their oath is to the Constitution and not the Commander in Chief. The lawfulness of an order would go to Court Martial and through the military justice system until it potentially was heard at SCOTUS. So it would not necessarily be a coup and almost certainly the orders that one would not follow (use of military force against civilians) are likely illegal. Their use of the military in domestic law enforcement is illegal unless authorized by Congress. The Commander in Chief has no legal authority to authorize it unless there is an insurrection.

That looks like a reasonable suite of controls, right up until you consider the recent output from SCOTUS.