American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

What do you want people down there to do? Be specific.

If the government is concerned with illegal immigrants working in the country wouldn’t it easier and more effective to just start fining the companies who hire them to resolve the problem?

Is that a bad idea?

It deters immigrants looking to enter the country illegally for work from entering if no one will risk hiring them, it raises money for government coffers and inevitably leads to a reduction in the need to spend tax dollars on detention centres, ICE agents, etc…

You won’t have people working illegally if companies stop hiring them, it’s that simple. This isn’t a chicken or the egg scenario.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

If the government is concerned with illegal immigrants working in the country wouldn’t it easier and more effective to just start fining the companies who hire them to resolve the problem?

Is that a bad idea?

It deters immigrants looking to enter the country illegally for work from entering if no one will risk hiring them, it raises money for government coffers and inevitably leads to a reduction in the need to spend tax dollars on detention centres, ICE agents, etc…

You won’t have people working illegally if companies stop hiring them, it’s that simple. This isn’t a chicken or the egg scenario.

Wouldn't it be easier to just get these people their immigration papers so they can continue to contribute to your economy?

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Looks like trans antifa to me.

Options are:

A) trans antifa
B) MAGA conservative that loves guns
C) illegal immigrant from a South American country
D) loner white guy that got bullied that both sides will claim supports the other side

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by GGG

Not really, it’s the center and left in general. The right nicely lines up behind Smith and just ignores the parts they disagree with. The center and left protest and argue against their own. Watch Alberta politics it doesn’t have the “extreme left” but suffers from the same problems

I'm not really understanding what you're getting at. The pragmatic left supported Kamala's bid for the presidency while the extreme left fooled themselves into thinking they were helping Gaza by staying home. It's wrong to blame the entire left for what happened. Just because there is division among the left, doesn't mean the entire left is responsible for the division.

As for our province, the entire left unified behind the NDP, but unfortunately there are just simply more conservatives than non-conservatives in this province.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Options are:

A) trans antifa
B) MAGA conservative that loves guns
C) illegal immigrant from a South American country
D) loner white guy that got bullied that both sides will claim supports the other side

Retired vet so it's a mental health issue and not political violence.

[missdpuck]

Shooter’s son has a rare disease, very few facilities treat it. Maybe he was about to lose benefits, or was pissed that Trump has defunded research?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...t/86409758007/

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

You framed any lack of grief as implicit applause for the killing itself, which is precisely backwards. One can oppose political assassination while also refusing to pretend its target was a saint. You managed to collapse two distinct reactions into one so you could posture as the voice of reason while scolding people for insufficient tears. TrentCrimmIndependent already tried that, it's a tired schtick.

Huh? I wasn't conflating the two.

I just saw people making light of the situation. You don't have to cry, I don't care. Not like I was anything remotely close to being a fan. But there's an unspoken etiquette around the loss of life and tragic circumstances. The entire point of whatever I wrote ages ago was to say that if you can't show a modicum of respect about the seriousness of a life being taken, then it's probably better to say nothing.

Like why go there?

It's not about paying respects (again, who cares), it's about showing respect (towards the situation). Hopefully those two things can be distinguished.

Chalk it up to how I was raised, but I wouldn't talk #### about someone at the news of their death, or at their funeral. That level of resentment comes off gross and unhealthy. They're dead, what does it matter. It's not like the guy went around hurting anybody, he just talked - a lot - of dumb #### and people listened to him. Such is the state of America.

Now the one exception to the above could be in the event of Trump's passing. That will be a happy, glorious day. There are those rare exceptions.

A faux-intellectual activist vs orange satan himself are two pretty different levels of awful though. And the former had a loving family. As a human being, I feel bad for those children, who asked for none of this.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Wouldn't it be easier to just get these people their immigration papers so they can continue to contribute to your economy?

Yes. My comment was about the hypocrisy of the policy overall.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by missdpuck

Shooter’s son has a rare disease, very few facilities treat it. Maybe he was about to lose benefits, or was pissed that Trump has defunded research?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...t/86409758007/

According to his social media profiles he was a huge Trump supporter. I imagine that's why Trump didn't blame the radical left.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

It's not like the guy went around hurting anybody, he just talked - a lot - of dumb #### and people listened to him. Such is the state of America.

Maybe he didn't go around shooting anyone, but saying he didn't hurt anyone is pretty ignorant. He definitely targeted different communities and his rhetoric and saying dumb #### riled up people against those communities.


He propagated a culture of hate and fear and that definitely hurts people.

[puffnstuff]

They almost got him...

https://bsky.app/profile/marmel.bsky.../3lzwzwshe7s2n

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

I'm not really understanding what you're getting at. The pragmatic left supported Kamala's bid for the presidency while the extreme left fooled themselves into thinking they were helping Gaza by staying home. It's wrong to blame the entire left for what happened. Just because there is division among the left, doesn't mean the entire left is responsible for the division.

As for our province, the entire left unified behind the NDP, but unfortunately there are just simply more conservatives than non-conservatives in this province.

I haven't seen anyone who reads statistics seriously suggest Gaza made a difference, it was pretty low on most voters priority list. It's also questionable whether left "stayed home" in particularly large numbers.

If there was any one thing that really did Harris in, it was probably lining herself up with the most hated has-been ghouls of the conservatives. Everyone immediately hated it and it destroyed any chance of her credibly offering change in any direction anyone wanted.

[puffnstuff]

There was a drop in overall presidential voting from 2020 to 2024, 155.5 million to 152.3.
Who were those voters? Did it make a difference in the result and why didnt they vote?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

They almost got him...

https://bsky.app/profile/marmel.bsky.../3lzwzwshe7s2n

Gee, I can't imagine why tourism is down.


####ing fascists.

[SutterBrother]

A good example of why Charlie Kirk's white replacement theory is so wrong.

They just don't have the legs.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

A faux-intellectual activist vs orange satan himself are two pretty different levels of awful though. And the former had a loving family. As a human being, I feel bad for those children, who asked for none of this.

Kirk was a Groomer of youth and young adults.

His whole gig was to increase the MAGA faithful while lining his pockets, nothing more.

He wasn't interested in honest discourse.

The world is a better place without him in it.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Kirk was a Groomer of youth and young adults.

His whole gig was to increase the MAGA faithful while lining his pockets, nothing more.

He wasn't interested in honest discourse.

The world is a better place without him in it.

One could argue that the world is actually the exact same place without him. He was just replaced by....his wife.

The grift will continue just the same.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Looch City

One could argue that the world is actually the exact same place without him. He was just replaced by....his wife.

The grift will continue just the same.

One less piece of #### is a positive.

[wireframe]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

One less piece of #### is a positive.

Charlie Kirk (and others) stepped in when Rush Limbaugh died. Someone will step in for Kirk. There are enough of these losers willing to make a career stewing up anger that someone will always fill the void.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by wireframe

Charlie Kirk (and others) stepped in when Rush Limbaugh died. Someone will step in for Kirk. There are enough of these losers willing to make a career stewing up anger that someone will always fill the void.

I'm not saying you are wrong.

I'm saying I'm ok being a world without Kirk.