Edmonton is No Good XII: "I Dunno.. it's Just Not Good."

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I consider Lindros generational talent as if you could build the perfect power forward, it would be him. He had the skating and talent of a generational player in a chiseled body of a Greek God at 6'4" 240 pounds. Was well over a ppg in the clutch and grab era of the 90's. Who knows what he could have achieved if not for Stevens ruining his career.

Stevens may have been the icing on the cake, but he had 5 concussions before that, and was suffering badly (and Clarke was a real dick about his condition too). Philly almost killed him before the Stevens hit:


Lindros' relationship with Flyers general manager Bobby Clarke soon deteriorated. He and Clarke feuded in the media, with Clarke questioning his toughness; Lindros spent many games on the injured reserve and suffered a series of concussions, the first in 1998 from a hit delivered by Pittsburgh's Darius Kasparaitis that sidelined him for 18 games.[20][21] Lindros suffered a second concussion in December 1998 that sidelined him for two games. During a game against the Nashville Predators on April 1, 1999, Lindros suffered what was diagnosed as a rib injury. Later that night, the teammate he was sharing a hotel room with, Keith Jones, discovered Lindros lying in a tub, pale and cold. In a call to the Flyers, the trainer was told to put Lindros on a plane that was returning to Philadelphia with injured teammate Mark Recchi. But Jones insisted that Lindros be taken to a nearby hospital and it was discovered Lindros had a collapsed lung caused by internal bleeding of his chest wall. Lindros' father wrote the Flyers a letter in which he stated that if the trainer had followed team orders, Eric would be dead, a statement supported by the doctors who treated him in Nashville.[22]

The 1999–2000 season was Lindros' last as a Flyer. Having suffered his second concussion of the season (fourth overall) in March, Lindros criticized the team's trainers for failing to diagnose a concussion as he played with symptoms following a hit he suffered in a game against the Boston Bruins two weeks prior. Clarke then stripped Lindros of the captaincy for his actions. Lindros sat out the remainder of the regular season and suffered another concussion while rehabilitating for a return to the lineup. Lindros ultimately returned for game 6 of the Eastern Conference finals against the New Jersey Devils; he scored the lone goal in a 2–1 Flyers loss. In game 7 of the series, Lindros was coming over the blue line with his head down, when Devils defenseman Scott Stevens hit Lindros with a shoulder check, knocking him unconscious and suffering yet another concussion. He was able to get off the ice with help from teammates. The Flyers lost game 7, 2–1 and the series despite leading three games to one, and Lindros became a restricted free agent during the off-season. He refused to accept a two-way qualifying offer with a minor league provision from the Flyers, who still owned his rights. After Lindros was cleared to play in December, the Flyers refused to deal his rights to the Toronto Maple Leafs, as he preferred, and Lindros sat out the entire 2000–01 season.

Edit: All that said, I don't think Lindros would have won a cup in Philly - it was a flawed team. They didn't really have a good defence and their goaltending was average.

[old-fart]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

https://twitter.com/user/status/1968350903486038325

LMAO. The fate of re-signing Connor McDavis lays with Savoie and Howard?????

He gone.

I think you could argue that Savoie was the best Oiler rookie in the two game series and it wasn’t even close. Having said that he was probably the fourth best forward overall behind Gridin, Suniev and Honzek and maybe even King although he plays a different game. Gridin and Suniev were clearly superior and Honzek had at least as many moments of brilliance.

Ike Howard was probably the 8th or 9th best forward…. For the Oilers. He was as forgettable as any ECHL scrub would be. Overall there were probably 20 better forwards than him. If the Oilers are hoping the promise of Ike Howard will make him stay, they might as well start packing the U Haul for him.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Edit: All that said, I don't think Lindros would have won a cup in Philly - it was a flawed team. They didn't really have a good defence and their goaltending was average.

That really seems familiar. Where have we seen that recently?

[calumniate]

What will happen to mcdavid's restaurant if he leaves?

[Groot]

Originally Posted by calumniate

What will happen to mcdavid's restaurant if he leaves?

It will be burned to the ground and Lauren will collect insurance money. Probably the plan all along, versus some weird furniture display/cocktail lounge-hybrid

[indes]

Originally Posted by calumniate

What will happen to mcdavid's restaurant if he leaves?

They'll probably auction off "seats that McDavid sat in" to the Edmonton locale for more money than they invested into the restaurant to begin with.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by old-fart

I think you could argue that Savoie was the best Oiler rookie in the two game series and it wasn’t even close. Having said that he was probably the fourth best forward overall behind Gridin, Suniev and Honzek and maybe even King although he plays a different game. Gridin and Suniev were clearly superior and Honzek had at least as many moments of brilliance.

Ike Howard was probably the 8th or 9th best forward…. For the Oilers. He was as forgettable as any ECHL scrub would be. Overall there were probably 20 better forwards than him. If the Oilers are hoping the promise of Ike Howard will make him stay, they might as well start packing the U Haul for him.

Gridin, Suniev and Honzek were better than Savoie, and none are guaranteed to make an NHL squad with zero expectations of being a cup contender. Savoie making the coilers is evidence they are screwed, not that they have a bright future.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by calumniate

What will happen to mcdavid's restaurant if he leaves?

Nothing. They will just open one in Toronto too. Or maybe he sells it to his buddy Draisaitl.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

https://twitter.com/user/status/1968350903486038325

LMAO. The fate of re-signing Connor McDavis lays with Savoie and Howard?????

He gone.

If McDufis watched the two prospects games he may have noticed about 5 Flames prospects outplayed Savoie by a large margin and Howard was one of the worst players on the ice period.

[GioforPM]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1968334426183811255

LOL, this is pure cope, because Hart was not signing in Edmonton (and the fact they wanted him is slimy anyway).

And no, Skinner isn't good enough.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

So...

In:
Mangiapane
Lazar
Savoie
Frederick (I guess he was there for a bit in the playoffs)

Out:

E. Kane
Arvidsson
C. Brown
C. Perry
Klingberg
J. Skinner
+D. Ryan and C. Carrick who barely played

Verdict:

E=NG

Last year they lost their few young, improving players in order to sign older vets. This year, they lose their older vets (who actually helped in the playoffs) for... chum?

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nothing. They will just open one in Toronto too. Or maybe he sells it to his buddy Draisaitl.

DryStrudels

This could work.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

https://twitter.com/user/status/1968334426183811255

LOL, this is pure cope, because Hart was not signing in Edmonton (and the fact they wanted him is slimy anyway).

And no, Skinner isn't good enough.

Lmao, lots of reports that they wanted to sign Hart before he said he didn't want to play in Canada and now Bowman acting like he wasn't interested. What a loser.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by calumniate

What will happen to mcdavid's restaurant if he leaves?

[Reggie Dunlop]

The Trough is in Edmonton's historic Canada Permanent Building which was declared a Historic Site and was completely renovated (ceilings, walls, floors and electrical) in 2023 at a cost of about $1.6 million (municipal gov't fronted about $120,000 of that).

So when Oilers fans wreck, loot and burn the place to the ground it would probably cost less than one of the festivals in "Festival City."

[Vinny01]

Funny that listening to Frank on FlamesTalk mention that there is a lot of calm in the market place in Edmonton and that bodes well for him staying then today Spector posts an article stating Oilers Nation is in full panic mode

[Reggie Dunlop]

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

So...

In:
Mangiapane
Lazar
Savoie
Frederick (I guess he was there for a bit in the playoffs)

Out:

E. Kane
Arvidsson
C. Brown
C. Perry
Klingberg
J. Skinner
+D. Ryan and C. Carrick who barely played

Verdict:

E=NG

Last year they lost their few young, improving players in order to sign older vets. This year, they lose their older vets (who actually helped in the playoffs) for... chum?

Lol, wow. With that lineup, the Oilers might have to increase McDavid and Drai's ice time to 40 minutes a night in order to make the playoffs.

[stemit14]

I agree that Toronto is probably the most likely landing spot for McDavid next year but so do wonder what other teams would top the list as likely destinations for him? I know cap space is a problem for lots of teams but I also think pretty much any team can move things around to make room for him to sign. Here are some alternate teams that I think could be a fit for what he wants:

Los Angeles - kopitar retiring gives them plenty of cap space to sign McDavid and extend Kempe. They fit as a team that has lots of young players starting to take over key roles on the team and they have decent depth and good goaltending. Guys like Clarke and Byfield are entering their prime and the team has been competitive every year. They have a decent prospect pool and, with McDavid on the roster, Byfield can flourish as the 1B center. Kempe would be the most skilled winger (besides Drysaitl) McDavid has played with on an NHL team. It’s LA so there is a draw for living there for some players.

San Jose - tougher sell because of how bad of a team they have been and will likely be this season but they are deep at every position in terms of young, skilled talent including elite talent (Celebrini and Smith). I think lots of hockey people would probably consider them the rebuilding team with the most potential at this point. They obviously have tons of cap space. If McDavid likes the idea of a team that is likely only to keep getting better throughout his next contract, I think the Sharks are a good example. It may be different now because the team has been bad but players used to love playing for the sharks and living in the San Jose area so living-wise it could be a good fit. One of those teams where the fans are passionate but a superstar hockey player can live a pretty normal life outside the rink.

New York - obligatory. They have always been on teams lists of preferred cities. Mostly because of lifestyle and they are usually a competitive team. They will have the cap space with Panarin potentially signing at a lower cap hit or moving on. I can’t say I think much of their team’s future though besides being a draw for UFA talent. They are not exactly young and not exactly old and their prospect pool is average IMO.

Tampa Bay - play with Kucherov. No taxes. Can try to get revenge on Florida (not likely). Again - not a great fit in terms of the team being older and likely on the downslope of its contending window.

Vegas - always a destination and they are never afraid to trade or toss players aside to make room. They may already have the space they need (or close to it) next year because I could see both Petra and Stone being LTIRetired next year. That leaves them room to sign both McDavid and Eichel.

[Reggie Dunlop]

LA would be so poetic.