Charlie Kirk Assassination Thread

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by BigThief

if you're still asking that question you're just being wilfully ignorant at this point

You posted a list of quotes, taken entirely out of context. It supported your position though?

Take that list of awful #### you sent. Plug it into your favourite AI and prompt “what is the full context behind this Charlie Kirk quote “[your quotes here]””

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

KelVarnsen, I’ll single you out because you call me a Nazi. PepsiFree, you thanked it, so you too.

I’m curious, what do you contribute to your communities? Do you volunteer? Council, minor sports teams, committees, kitchens, community cleanup? Do you contribute in any way?

Are you a positive contributor to society?

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

Lol

Does this mean you do nothing?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

What's your take on his take that the civil rights movement was a mistake and that empathy for other humans is a weakness?

Went too far. His beef was with affirmative action which is of course flawed. He does point out that blacks perhaps have relied too much on it and become victims of their own fight. Sort of like the socialist argument that eventually people won't do the work and expect the handout. But he was ridiculous. Everyone is an affirmative action hire? If he saw any black person in a responsible role he had to wonder if they were qualified? That's racist

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Does this mean you do nothing?

Lol. Somebody hit the sauce tonight.

[The Fonz]

100%

[The Fonz]

I’m getting curious though - Kelvarnsen, PepsiFree, BigThief- I’d love to know if they contribute anything to society beyond sarcastic remarks. Sarcasm doesn’t pay the mortgage….

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Yamer

"People love what I have to say. They believe in it. They just don't like the word 'Nazi'. That's all" - Stormfront, The Boys, Season 2, Episode 8

Man, I always seem to keep thinking back to this scene from a show with an irreverant take on superheroes in modern America. Boy, does it encompass posters like Gordon Bombay, The Boy Wonder, Goriders, ComixZone, The Fonz, calgarygeolist, Language, and a litany of other honorable mentions I don't really have the ambition to source right now.

People like Charlie Kirk have somehow obfuscated the terms 'fascist' and 'Nazi' in such a way that that people feel OK absorbing, embodying, and espousing the ideology while brushing aside the labels. They'll even claim the words have been so dilluted they're meaningless.

The problem for them is that the rest of us are not so easily drawn in and manipulated, so when we hear, read, and witness fascist ideology we're entirely comfortable calling you what you are: Nazis.

Although you've repeatedly and vigorously whinged about the label, it seems you're entirely comfortable with the tenets. While I chuckle and embrace the implications behind people calling me woke, socialist, liberal, or libtard, you're trying to re-brand and victimize yourselves as if you're some yin to a yang that just needs to find a more digestible classification.

By all means and with great enthusiasm, keep labeling me with the aforementioned terms of what I consider endearment. I will keep calling out your fascist rhetoric and Nazi behaviour for what they are. If you don't like it, maybe don't be such a fascist Nazi.

And you know what, maybe you're not a fascist Nazi. Maybe you just felt compelled to show up in this and other threads and tell us all how we're horrible, disgusting, and mentally ill people for calling a spade a spade and not being the bleeding heart, idealistic liberals your information bubbles have convinced you we are.

It's not a great look to virtue signal for a tried and true Nazi when the best you can offer is that "he had a different opinion" and "he was a husband and father", while also deriding our mental health and wishing us to befall the same fate.

Your call to humanism falls flat, much like Charlie Kirk did on September 10th. Too soon?

While it can't be debated that Trump is doing his best impression of what a pro-Isreal adolf would look like in the 21st century and the nazi insinuations are calling a spade a spade (not just petty name calling, which is what Trump and many of his supporters seem to think it is - and to them I'd suggest picking up a history textbook and noting the parallels) no one can take you or anybody on the left seriously going forward as proponents for human life if you just pick and choose when they matter and when it's fine to devalue them because of a moral or ideological impasse.

Charlie carved out a niche of debating and spreading messages to young americans, and basically monopolized the gig. While he was shooting fish in a barrel given that they're young, inexperienced and impressionable, the dems could've sent in their own, saner version of Kirk to combat him in that arena but they didn't do s#### about it. They earned that election loss and it was entirely their own faults for being out of touch with young voters.

As valid as some of the points you make are, still this guilty by association thing that the left does (granting the person in question a less than human status in their mind) is a really icky tendency of outspoken left leaning individuals.

Maybe more of you should take after Harris on this one and choose decency as a response to a murder. If you want to make your point while remaining in line with the values your public figures preach then make it without stooping by making distasteful remarks about a guy that is already deceased and whose reign of terror on campuses is now concluded (like, stop.. he's dead).

In theory, any well educated liberal can and should clean house with a mass of Charlie supporters, but they let their emotions get the best of them and instead lean into exactly that profile that the right stereotypes liberals as and just further solidifies and emboldens that view.

Biggest problem in my view with passionate leftists is that they do at times forget their humanity in their quest for proving right and wrong. What's frustrating is that they don't have to.

That's the sad part. Public figures on the right are largely full of #### and wrong on many counts, but even with an arsenal of facts at their disposal, the left still manage to get roped in emotionally and completely lose their composure.

You guys need to learn to handle those you disagree with like Alex O'Connor (an atheist) handled a room full of christians and mormons. He rolled over them with his knowledge of the bible and history without losing his cool even once (or mocking/scorning his opponent). And in the end that scored a lot of points with the religious individuals, and many of them came away with more willingness to learn and be open to new perspectives.

You guys are your own worst enemies with how you continually show up exactly how they expect. With such a condescending demeanor, no wonder they don't listen.

Switch up your approach, you're smart enough (I hope). But maybe at the end of the day you guys are just in love with hating and belittling the right and the hit you get from it more than educating and setting an example of civility without descending into hypocrisy.

[DownInFlames]

Fonz, I’m sorry if asking you to give examples of what you appreciate about Charlie Kirk, in the mother####ing Charlie Kirk appreciation thread, is too much of an ask. I was trying to help you, actually, assuming you want to be considered a serious person, and not just a troll.

Do what you want but you are doing exactly zero to help anyone think of Kirk in a positive light. If he’s such a great man it shouldn’t take any time at all to compile a few quotes that show us why you find him so compelling.

And no, the videos you posted don’t show anything but a few very basic platitudes about family and accepting a gay man into his movement, while not saying anything about whether he thinks the gay man should be free to be gay.

Do you like his support of Christian values? Are you a Christian yourself? Everyone believes that families are a net good, but is Charlie open to families other than a working dad and momming mom?

Feel free to ignore this post if you really aren’t open to serious discussion.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

While it can't be debated that Trump is doing his best impression of what a pro-Isreal adolf would look like in the 21st century and the nazi insinuations are calling a spade a spade (not just petty name calling, which is what Trump and many of his supporters seem to think it is - and to them I'd suggest picking up a history textbook and noting the parallels) no one can take you or anybody on the left seriously going forward as proponents for human life if you just pick and choose when they matter and when it's fine to devalue them because of a moral or ideological impasse.

Charlie carved out a niche of debating and spreading messages to young americans, and basically monopolized the gig. While he was shooting fish in a barrel given that they're young, inexperienced and impressionable, the dems could've sent in their own, saner version of Kirk to combat him in that arena but they didn't do s#### about it. They earned that election loss and it was entirely their own faults for being out of touch with young voters.

As valid as some of the points you make are, still this guilty by association thing that the left does (granting the person in question a less than human status in their mind) is a really icky tendency of outspoken left leaning individuals.

Maybe more of you should take after Harris on this one and choose decency as a response to a murder. If you want to make your point while remaining in line with the values your public figures preach then make it without stooping by making distasteful remarks about a guy that is already deceased and whose reign of terror on campuses is now concluded (like, stop.. he's dead).

In theory, any well educated liberal can and should clean house with a mass of Charlie supporters, but they let their emotions get the best of them and instead lean into exactly that profile that the right stereotypes liberals as and just further solidifies and emboldens that view.

Biggest problem in my view with passionate leftists is that they do at times forget their humanity in their quest for proving right and wrong. What's frustrating is that they don't have to.

That's the sad part. Public figures on the right are largely full of #### and wrong on many counts, but even with an arsenal of facts at their disposal, the left still manage to get roped in emotionally and completely lose their composure.

You guys need to learn to handle those you disagree with like Alex O'Connor (an atheist) handled a room full of christians and mormons. He rolled over them with his knowledge of the bible and history without losing his cool even once (or mocking/scorning his opponent). And in the end that scored a lot of points with the religious individuals, and many of them came away with more willingness to learn and be open to new perspectives.

You guys are your own worst enemies with how you continually show up exactly how they expect. With such a condescending demeanor, no wonder they don't listen.

Switch up your approach, you're smart enough (I hope). But maybe at the end of the day you guys are just in love with hating and belittling the right and the hit you get from it more than educating and setting an example of civility without descending into hypocrisy.

Think what you are asking for is civil discourse. Don’t think that exists anymore.

Name calling, personal attacks, political polarization and insults on the other hand. There’s an over abundance of that.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I’m getting curious though - Kelvarnsen, PepsiFree, BigThief- I’d love to know if they contribute anything to society beyond sarcastic remarks. Sarcasm doesn’t pay the mortgage….

Edit - original post. You've had more than enough time to reply.

Your turn.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Think what you are asking for is civil discourse. Don’t think that exists anymore.

Name calling, personal attacks, political polarization and insults on the other hand. There’s an over abundance of that.

So are you suggesting that Charlie Kirk deserved to die because he did this? You're disgusting!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

You guys need to learn to handle those you disagree with like Alex O'Connor (an atheist) handled a room full of christians and mormons. He rolled over them with his knowledge of the bible and history without losing his cool even once (or mocking/scorning his opponent). … But maybe at the end of the day you guys are just in love with hating and belittling the right and the hit you get from it more than educating and setting an example of civility without descending into hypocrisy.

As opposed to mocking/scorning the left with these long, rambling missives that are hypocritical at their core and intellectually vacant?

If one wants to preach or lecture on the values of setting an example for education and civility as opposed to scorning and hypocrisy, one should set that example themselves and avoid scorning… lest they be the hypocrite they warn against.

The fact that you continuously write these things with zero self awareness or self reflection and a refusal to address the responses you receive from a dozen different people makes them ultimately worthless for the group. They’re little more than projections of your own insecurities and an attempt to convey a worldview or ideal you know you’re nowhere close to embodying.

Instead of this “both sides” act where you go “oh yeah the right is bad but THE LEFT!” and go on to write 500 word diatribes on why you hate the left and how you’re mad they won’t educate you or be nice to you, why don’t you take some personal responsibility and educate yourself? Put down tiktok, pick up a book or two, and start trying to shake off your entirely binary, juvenile worldview.

If you want to teach people how to get others to listen, learn how to do it yourself. Spending all your days masking scorn for the left as some unbiased “both sides” nonsense while you totally ignore and excuse calls for violence and fascist rhetoric makes you look totally unequipped to have a real conversation with anybody. Time to wake up and get back in touch with the real world a bit here Trent.

[TherapyforGlencross]

Wasn’t Kirk a proponent of the Great Replacement Theory?

[Drak]

“Those quotes were taken out of context!”

No, they were not taken out of context.

These are the exact same tactics MAGA uses anytime they try to defend a position that one of their leaders or talking heads openly says. “It was taken out of context!” Or, “it was just a joke!” Or plausible deniability. “Well, I’m not aware he said that.”

[TherapyforGlencross]

interesting how the conversation has turned from the issue of not mourning Charlie Kirk’s death to “how dare you don’t think he was a good man with good ideas”.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

You guys are your own worst enemies with how you continually show up exactly how they expect. With such a condescending demeanor, no wonder they don't listen.

You're basically singing my greatest hits here and yet you seem pretty unconcerned with the general state of things. I don't know how even the most generous champion of a marketplace of ideas could look at the MAGA cult right now and say, "well maybe if I just meet them where they are and am charitable and reasonable to them that they'll come around." Their dear leader is literally trying to occupy blue cities by sending in military personnel. We're past the "reasonable people can disagree and we can talk it out" stage here.

[Fuzz]

OK, I just watched a few clips of Kirk debating and talking on his show, and if you think Charlie Kirk makes some good points on DEI, affirmative action, and race comments, you are either an idiot or a racist. Possibly both. Those are your choices.

[troutman]

Whether conservatives or liberals donate more of their time or money to the community is irrelevant to whether Charlie should be appreciated.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

OK, I just watched a few clips of Kirk debating and talking on his show, and if you think Charlie Kirk makes some good points on DEI, affirmative action, and race comments, you are either an idiot or a racist. Possibly both. Those are your choices.

Charlei Kirk couldn't even correctly define DEI.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

While it can't be debated that Trump is doing his best impression of what a pro-Isreal adolf would look like in the 21st century and the nazi insinuations are calling a spade a spade (not just petty name calling, which is what Trump and many of his supporters seem to think it is - and to them I'd suggest picking up a history textbook and noting the parallels) no one can take you or anybody on the left seriously going forward as proponents for human life if you just pick and choose when they matter and when it's fine to devalue them because of a moral or ideological impasse.

Charlie carved out a niche of debating and spreading messages to young americans, and basically monopolized the gig. While he was shooting fish in a barrel given that they're young, inexperienced and impressionable, the dems could've sent in their own, saner version of Kirk to combat him in that arena but they didn't do s#### about it. They earned that election loss and it was entirely their own faults for being out of touch with young voters.

As valid as some of the points you make are, still this guilty by association thing that the left does (granting the person in question a less than human status in their mind) is a really icky tendency of outspoken left leaning individuals.

Maybe more of you should take after Harris on this one and choose decency as a response to a murder. If you want to make your point while remaining in line with the values your public figures preach then make it without stooping by making distasteful remarks about a guy that is already deceased and whose reign of terror on campuses is now concluded (like, stop.. he's dead).

In theory, any well educated liberal can and should clean house with a mass of Charlie supporters, but they let their emotions get the best of them and instead lean into exactly that profile that the right stereotypes liberals as and just further solidifies and emboldens that view.

Biggest problem in my view with passionate leftists is that they do at times forget their humanity in their quest for proving right and wrong. What's frustrating is that they don't have to.

That's the sad part. Public figures on the right are largely full of #### and wrong on many counts, but even with an arsenal of facts at their disposal, the left still manage to get roped in emotionally and completely lose their composure.

You guys need to learn to handle those you disagree with like Alex O'Connor (an atheist) handled a room full of christians and mormons. He rolled over them with his knowledge of the bible and history without losing his cool even once (or mocking/scorning his opponent). And in the end that scored a lot of points with the religious individuals, and many of them came away with more willingness to learn and be open to new perspectives.

You guys are your own worst enemies with how you continually show up exactly how they expect. With such a condescending demeanor, no wonder they don't listen.

Switch up your approach, you're smart enough (I hope). But maybe at the end of the day you guys are just in love with hating and belittling the right and the hit you get from it more than educating and setting an example of civility without descending into hypocrisy.

The conservatives are successful precisely because they don’t care what others think and don’t care about simple solutions. The idea that the center should become more understanding and tolerant is not the learnings to be taken from the current political state. The lesson is become more hateful to those you disagree with and more tolerant of those who support you when they do awful things. And just blatantly lie and mislead in a post truth world.

The right has done nothing that you suggest above and is currently politically successful. The right said you can be an ####### as long as you are our #######, it’s not your fault you are a victim of society. If there is any lesson to be learned from the right it’s that hate and division is winning.