Charlie Kirk Assassination Thread

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Language

Who are the intolerant ones now.

Just went over that one, big guy. You're either dumber than a bag of rocks or a disingenuous person who thinks this style of argument "really owns them"

Either way, you're not worth my time or worth having that name.

Goodnight, sweet prince.

[homestand]

Originally Posted by FlamingHomer

No one deserves to die like that.

Whenever I hear this type of comment, my mind harkens back to the iconic scene from the 1993 winner of the Oscar for Best Picture. UNFORGIVEN.

Where William Muny rejects Little Bill's sense of entitlement.

I don't deserve this.

To die like this.

I was building a house.

Deserve's got nothing to do with it.

https://subslikescript.com/movie/Unforgiven-105695

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

The idea of outing people, and specifically, banning them from all social media and removing their drivers license is a slippery slippery slope.

I condone the Kirk murder, horrific, awful, and the perpetrator should face his penalty. However…

Will pro-Kirk apologists accept that what is being proposed is extremely anti-democratic and dangerous?

So what, if someone doesn’t condone Putin’s eventual death, where’s the line?

This is the biggest reason why this murder will have massive repercussions, especially with the current administration during the wheel.

Missed this. Is someone proposing a solution to ending political violence? That doesn’t involve more violence?

[TherapyforGlencross]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Missed this. Is someone proposing a solution to ending political violence? That doesn’t involve more violence?

Takes two sides to tango, does it not? Look in years past since Trump 2016:

- Steve Scalise shooting
- Paul Pelosi attack
- Melissa Hortman assassination
- January 6 attack
- Michigan Governor assassination plot
- Charlie Kirk assassination

I’m sure i’m missing others. But it’s clear that violence is ratcheting up, not down.

But i tend to agree, the answer to violence is not increased violence. And certainly not revoking drivers licensing and social media bans. Which would lead to increased violence. Do you agree?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Missed this. Is someone proposing a solution to ending political violence? That doesn’t involve more violence?

Many people have proposed gun control for many years to little avail. Right wingers are currently proposing that leftists be hunted down and imprisoned, tortured, murdered, etc. on top of the absolutely endless streams of other, more vague threats toward anyone who disagrees with them or hasn’t mourned Kirk in the “right” way.

You know, the kind of language you were pretending to care about.

Just don’t call them fascists. That’s mean.

[TherapyforGlencross]

Clay Higgins, congressman from louisiana:

Clay Higgins, Republican of Louisiana, said he would use his congressional authority to seek immediate bans for life from social media platforms for anyone who “belittled the assassination of Charlie Kirk.”

“I’m also going after their business licenses and permitting, their businesses will be blacklisted aggressively, they should be kicked from every school, and their drivers licenses should be revoked,” he wrote on X. “I’m basically going to cancel with extreme prejudice these evil, sick animals who celebrated Charlie Kirk’s assassination. I’m starting that today.”

But republicans don’t fan the flames. Right?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by btimbit

"You just don't like opposing political views" they shout, while internally struggling with the fact that what they agree with is actually Nazi ideology.

"You just label anything you don't like as Fascist" while not having the capacity to understand what the word even means and that it absolutely does apply here.

I don't have the energy to keep doing this on this topic. I've already made a dozen posts in the other thread about it. Yet here we have one guy trolling and a few more intentionally missing the point to try and stay on their perceived shaky moral high ground shouting at everyone for not properly mourning a neo-nazi.

The one thing I'll repeat is one I've repeated many times already: STOP normalizing extreme fascist beliefs as simply being "different viewpoints"

CP’s remaining most ignorant pseudo-intellectual bigots got together and said “This is our moment” and boy are they eating.

[OldDutch]

One inescapable fact, there is no Charlie Kirk with people listening or aligning with him. People can celebrate his demise all they want, but there are plenty more going to fill the void.

Again people are focused on the person and not the message. Why does this resonate with so many Americans? What can be done to convince them its not the right way to see things?

Charlie can say whatever he wanted. If no one listened, he would just be another super annoying bro that people avoid.

It is the only way to break the cycle. To step back and ask openly why he got such traction. Taking pleasure and dismissing is only perpetuating and growing the problem.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

Clay Higgins, congressman from louisiana:

Clay Higgins, Republican of Louisiana, said he would use his congressional authority to seek immediate bans for life from social media platforms for anyone who “belittled the assassination of Charlie Kirk.”

“I’m also going after their business licenses and permitting, their businesses will be blacklisted aggressively, they should be kicked from every school, and their drivers licenses should be revoked,” he wrote on X. “I’m basically going to cancel with extreme prejudice these evil, sick animals who celebrated Charlie Kirk’s assassination. I’m starting that today.”

But republicans don’t fan the flames. Right?

“Don’t you dare call that fascism!”

- Resident fascist & genocide denier

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

Clay Higgins, congressman from louisiana:

Clay Higgins, Republican of Louisiana, said he would use his congressional authority to seek immediate bans for life from social media platforms for anyone who “belittled the assassination of Charlie Kirk.”

“I’m also going after their business licenses and permitting, their businesses will be blacklisted aggressively, they should be kicked from every school, and their drivers licenses should be revoked,” he wrote on X. “I’m basically going to cancel with extreme prejudice these evil, sick animals who celebrated Charlie Kirk’s assassination. I’m starting that today.”

But republicans don’t fan the flames. Right?

Free speech , eh?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

One inescapable fact, there is no Charlie Kirk with people listening or aligning with him. People can celebrate his demise all they want, but there are plenty more going to fill the void.

Again people are focused on the person and not the message. Why does this resonate with so many Americans? What can be done to convince them its not the right way to see things?

Charlie can say whatever he wanted. If no one listened, he would just be another super annoying bro that people avoid.

It is the only way to break the cycle. To step back and ask openly why he got such traction. Taking pleasure and dismissing is only perpetuating and growing the problem.

People crave easy answers, scapegoats, and are gread without empathy. This happened through years of politicians and media lying and deceiving the public and getting away with it. Consolidation of wealth has left scraps for everyone else.

None of this is mysterious, people have been talking about it for years. In Alberta, we made one our premier. People just don't want to pay attention to reality.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

People crave easy answers, scapegoats, and are gread without empathy. This happened through years of politicians and media lying and deceiving the public and getting away with it. Consolidation of wealth has left scraps for everyone else.

None of this is mysterious, people have been talking about it for years. In Alberta, we made one our premier. People just don't want to pay attention to reality.

This is the biggest one in my eyes.
People are struggling and someone comes along and says they have the answers, and almost more importantly, an outlet and target for their anger. It's a tale as old as time and a chapter in every Fascist state's history

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by homestand

Whenever I hear this type of comment, my mind harkens back to the iconic scene from the 1993 winner of the Oscar for Best Picture. UNFORGIVEN.

Where William Muny rejects Little Bill's sense of entitlement.

I don't deserve this.

To die like this.

I was building a house.

Deserve's got nothing to do with it.

https://subslikescript.com/movie/Unforgiven-105695

I'll see you in hell Charlie Kirk.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I'll see you in hell Charlie Kirk.

No you won't, idiot. He's in Valhalla.

[Rhett44]

Lmao this has to be a troll thread.

I don't agree with shooting someone, and I also don't agree with celebrating a person like Charlie Kirk with an appreciation thread.

It's not like when Johnny Gaudreau was killed. We didn't lose a good person who did good in the world. Quite the opposite actually.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Lmao this has to be a troll thread.

Oh, it 100% is. It's a matter of when, not if, I try and derail this thread into something else. I am just laying in wait for the right comment to pounce on and get us all talking Tamarian or something.

[Drak]

Tenets of Fascism

1. Powerful, often exclusionary, populist nationalism centered on cult of a redemptive, “infallible” leader who never admits mistakes.

2. Political power derived from questioning reality, endorsing myth and rage, and promoting lies.

3. Fixation with perceived national decline, humiliation, or victimhood.

4. White Replacement “Theory” used to show that democratic ideals of freedom and equality are a threat. Oppose any initiatives or institutions that are racially, ethnically, or religiously harmonious.

5. Disdain for human rights while seeking purity and cleansing for those they define as part of the nation.

6. Identification of “enemies”/scapegoats as a unifying cause. Imprison and/or murder opposition and minority group leaders.

7. Supremacy of the military and embrace of paramilitarism in an uneasy, but effective collaboration with traditional elites. Fascists arm people and justify and glorify violence as “redemptive”.

8. Rampant sexism.

9. Control of mass media and undermining “truth”.

10. Obsession with national security, crime and punishment, and fostering a sense of the nation under attack.

11. Religion and government are intertwined.

12. Corporate power is protected and labor power is suppressed.

13. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts not aligned with the fascist narrative.

14. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Loyalty to the leader is paramount and often more important than competence.

15. Fraudulent elections and creation of a one-party state.

16. Often seeking to expand territory through armed conflict.

https://www.keene.edu/academics/cchg...cism/download/



This is MAGA

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

People crave easy answers, scapegoats, and are gread without empathy. This happened through years of politicians and media lying and deceiving the public and getting away with it. Consolidation of wealth has left scraps for everyone else.

None of this is mysterious, people have been talking about it for years. In Alberta, we made one our premier. People just don't want to pay attention to reality.

Yeah I don’t want to tread too hard on any poster approaching all this as some grand psychological and sociological quandary to which they are enlightened enough to be scratching the surface of, but the “why” questions are pretty simple.

“Why are young men feeling this why?”
“Why can someone like Kirk become popular?”
“Why is there division in politics?”

Kind of nothing questions disguised as insight. Not as wild but pretty close to as painful as Trent’s “both sides!” crap.

How to actually solve the problem is what’s actually difficult, especially when a growing segment of the population don’t want it solved.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Language

The American Politics thread where this is being discussed at length, is absolutely ghoulish and filled with such hate and disgusting comments. It’s literally repulsive how sick in the head people can be.

The ironic thing is that everyone there calling him a Nazi and fascist, is exactly the extreme and dangerous language that contributes to political violence.

People can’t even express their political opinions anymore without being labeled with these terms, which in turn, motivates these psycho lone wolf shooters in thinking that murdering someone with a dissenting “hateful” opinion is a righteous cause.

And beyond that, it’s not even clear what a “Nazi” or “fascist” even means these days. You have people on both sides of the political spectrum labeling the other as such.

It creates such a dangerous environment where there can’t even be peaceful and dissenting political discourse.


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First of all

Yes, we should never dilute the meaning of a "fascist" or a "nazi in order to hold our positions as superior.

These are the core tenets of a fascist below, per Grok:

Core Tenet						Description																					Historical Example or Source
Extreme Nationalism					Fervent belief in the superiority and unity of the nation, often tied to ethnic or racial identity, subordinating individual interests to the collective national good.		Mussolini's promotion of Italian imperial destiny and Hitler's Aryan supremacy ideology.
Militarism						Glorification of military strength, aggressive expansion, and the use of force to achieve national goals.									Italy's invasion of Ethiopia under Mussolini and Germany's rearmament leading to World War II.
Authoritarian Leadership and Cult of Personality	Centralized power around a charismatic leader portrayed as infallible, with a natural hierarchy justifying elite rule.								Hitler's role as Führer and Mussolini's "Il Duce" persona, reinforced through rallies and propaganda.
Contempt for Democracy and Liberalism			Rejection of electoral processes, individual rights, and pluralism in favor of total state control.										Suppression of opposition parties in Italy (1920s) and fraudulent elections in Nazi Germany.
Corporatism and Economic Control			State-directed economy where corporate power is protected, labor is suppressed, and private enterprise serves national interests.						Italy's Charter of Labor (1927) integrating businesses under fascist oversight.
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats			Unifying the populace by demonizing internal or external enemies, such as minorities, communists, or intellectuals.								Nazi propaganda against Jews and Bolsheviks as threats to the German volk.
Controlled Mass Media and Propaganda			State domination of media to spread ideology, suppress dissent, and build the leader's image.											Goebbels' Ministry of Propaganda in Nazi Germany controlling all information flow.
Supremacy of Nation over Individual			Subordination of personal freedoms and human rights to the state's and nation's demands.											Fascist Italy's emphasis on the all-embracing state where no values exist outside it.

There's not a lot of gray area. Charlie Kirk pretty much was a verbatim modern example of each one.

An extreme nationalist? Yes. A white christian nationalist.
Militarism? This person supported annexing OUR ####ING COUNTRY
#3? If you can't see the MAGA world of Donald Trump as being that one verbatim, you're gaslighting yourself.
Contempt for democracy and liberalism? I'll let the folks here debate that but it's pretty clear he used motte-and-bailey fallacies to attack these items and then reframe his positions to seem more valid.
Corporatism and economic control? Uh, yeah. Anyone who supports the MAGA movement, so just about every Republican American fits this one.
Enemies and scapegoats? Charlie Kirk was the definition of this one. Black People. Trans people. Feminists. Islam. The list goes on.
Controlled mass media and propaganda? This was literally how he made a living.
As for the last one, it goes back to white christian nationalism, and his strong position on it.


This isn't some gray area where people to the left of some spectrum are calling people on the other side of centre fascists.

This is a world where the political spectrum in most western nations, Canada included, has moved so far right, that the only thing left to the right is fascism. And people who condone it should not be allowed a get out of jail free card for saying "Oh but I just vote Conversative because I don't like to pay a lot of taxes"

That's a ####ing problem if you can't see how far the spectrum has shifted.

[Looch City]

The MAGA movement is fascist.

Therefore anyone who is involved and even more so, actively recruiting for such a movement, is in fact...a fascist.

All fascists suck.

Therefore Charlie Kirk can eat a bag of #### in Valhalla lol.

It's truly as simple as that, I don't get what's so confusing or debate worthy?