2025 Toronto Blue Jays Season Thread

[flamingred89]

Woof.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

So now 5 runs in 11 games

Which is exactly how his season has gone . He is horrible 1 every 5/6 games

He has a 4.5 era with a 1 whip and .200 BAA from both sides . Most of the time he’s really good .

When’s he’s bad he’s really bad

I’ll give you that.

Funny how the manager doesn’t catch on (until it’s too late) when he’s having one of his rough outings.

[jayswin]

With brewers coming up and red Sox and Yankees playing easy teams, plus our struggles against weak teams I could see us in a wild card spot sooner than later.

This was a special season, I really wanted them to push more chips in. But it is what is now. Just have to hope pur relief and closer pitching figures something out.

[Jason14h]

Brewers are 4-6 in their last 10 , everyone slumps

Just win tomorrow .

I’m not worried about the rest of the season - but am in playoffs with this bullpen

[bizaro86]

I think I figured out why those other teams passed on Hoffman...

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

There are no saviours coming to save this bullpen. Garcia is absolutely not coming back. Yesavage has no experience in the bullpen and shouldn’t have the pressure to fix this mess.

Going to need the guys to grow some balls.

Berrios to become the closer.

Hoffman just too inconsistent for a contending team.

[TKB]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Berrios to become the closer.

Hoffman just too inconsistent for a contending team.

Agreed, can’t have your closer with an ERA close to 5. This won’t fly in the playoffs.

[KelVarnsen]

Borucki for closer?

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by TKB

Agreed, can’t have your closer with an ERA close to 5. This won’t fly in the playoffs.

He's now second in the league for blown saves. He's got a real shot at winning that stat because the leader isn't a closer any more.

[CedarMeter]

Ya, that was ugly.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

If he's only bad once every 5 or 6 games, maybe that can help them skirt by? Probably not, though.

I think you go down to a 3-4 man rotation in the playoffs and probably lean on those other 2-3 starters to anchor the bullpen.

[ben voyonsdonc]

The league is obsessed with swing and miss from the bullpen and it’s certainly become part of the Jays’ identity. Swing and miss when you throw 100+mph heaters is always going to be there. The Jays don’t have a guy who is completely known as a true fireballer - Varland, Hoffman, and Dominguez can all touch or get close to 100mph but they aren’t the Mason Miller or Aroldis Chapman types. As a result, the bullpen relies heavily on movement/secondary stuff to allow them to miss bats. The problem is those types of pitches can be particularly hard to control if you don’t have feel for it. They can also get completely crushed if they are hangers.

I’d like to see the Jays make a priority of focusing on fastball location rather than trying to get a swing and a miss. A well placed fastball, even if it is only 92-93 is still extremely difficult to make hard contact with. The focus should be on getting as many 0-1 counts from their bullpen arms as possible and the best way to do that is to locate the fastball. When a pitcher is ahead in the count, which pitches become more effective? All of them.

[Roof-Daddy]

Haha it's hilarious to see so many go full panic mode after a blown save. ####ty loss for sure, but it happens. Houston lost to the Rockies last night. The Dodgers lost a series to the Rockies just recently. It's not the end of the world.

No closer has a 100% conversion rate. Even the greatest of all time Mariano Rivera blew one out of every ten chances. Hoffman's problem is when he's off he's reaaaaaaaally bad and gives up a pile of runs in one outing. Then he usually goes back to being good again for a while before having another massive blow up.

I'm way more worried about the rest of the bullpen right now and the terrible month of August they are having collectively. Hopefully that gets turned around.

Anyways, I doubt there is a single fan here who thought the Jays would be 4 games up in the AL East on August 27th prior to the season starting. It's been an amazing season so far and the Jays are not only playing meaningful baseball when it matters, but they aren't chasing. They are still in the drivers seat which is awesome.

[KelVarnsen]

If it was a rare blown save then yes you'd be right about about the full panic mode.

But its fairly common for Hoffman these days

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Berrios to become the closer.

[Insert Blaster86 Berrios comment here]

[zukes]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

If it was a rare blown save then yes you'd be right about about the full panic mode.

But its fairly common for Hoffman these days

He sucks bad when he sucks. But, get them out of the system now?

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

If it was a rare blown save then yes you'd be right about about the full panic mode.

But its fairly common for Hoffman these days

I thought this was interesting. Pretty good second half numbers (for Hoffman. Not so much pretty much anyone else).

https://twitter.com/user/status/1960533997877940495

[zukes]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

I thought this was interesting. Pretty good second half numbers (for Hoffman. Not so much pretty much anyone else).

https://twitter.com/user/status/1960533997877940495

Pretty damming and hopefully, likely, just a short slump or this season will go to hell pretty quickly.

[CroCop]

I don’t trust Hoffman could save a drowning man from a bath tub right now.

[SuperMatt18]

Hoffman's breakdown is interesting.

43 Appearances - 0 Earned Runs (2 Blown Saves)
7 Appearances - 1 Earned Runs (1 Blown Save)
2 Appearances - 2 Earned Runs (1 Blown Save)
5 Appearances - 3+ Earned Runs (3 Blown Saves - 18 ERs in those 5 appearances)

He's had a couple of bad stretches in the season too.

He's in a bit of one right now in his last two appearances, after he was lights out for the prior 9 games with no earned runs against.

He had the bad stretch in May where he had 11 ERs in three bad appearances against the Angels and Rays where he only went 0.1 innings in each of those games.

I'm sure it's the same story for every closer but if you take out his 4 worst appearances (the three in May, and the game last night) where he gave up 15 ER in 1.1 total innings, his ERA drops from 4.77 to 2.36. So it's really just avoiding the blow up games and trying to identify when those games are happening sooner.

Even with the struggles he's probably a top 10 closer in the MLB this year based on his K/BB ratio, K/9 ratio, and overall WHIP, his blow up games are just really bad. https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/closers