American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[afc wimbledon]

Meanwhile both of Russia's allies Armenia and Syria have taken brutal losses, Syria has fallen completely, Russia now has no ability to support it's client states and they are peeling off and looking to Turkey China or the west for support faster than a bankrupt footballer losses his entourage, Russia has lost everything at this point

In a couple of decades my guess is Turkey ends up the real winner of the Ukraine war ironically

[puffnstuff]

Trump: "Vladimir Putin said something- one of the most interesting things. He said 'your election was rigged because you have mail in voting. It's impossible to have mail in voting & have honest elections.' He said that to me because we talked about 2020. He said, 'you won that election by so much'"

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lwi7qr3ax52r

Putin, well known bastion of election integrity totally said this. Or trump is lying. Or Putin said it knowing trump would repeat it, because losing 2020 is still gnawing at his tiny rat brain, and sound like an idiot that cant let go.
I cant decide.

[MRCboicgy]

At least we now know Biden had cancer - when we find out all that's really wrong with this walking corpse, none of it will be a surprise.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

All Trump hate aside, if he pulls funding for the Ukrainian resistance, Putin can roll tanks over the entire country. Let's not forget that everyone thought this would be a complete wipeout and over within days. American military aid has been the only thing stopping Putin from achieving all of his goals easily.

Will the European leaders that are lobbying Trump to avoid Ukraine from ceding territory replace the American military funding? I don't think so. The only way this ends is if Russia get to keep what they've taken.

Are you a Russian asset? "Everyone thought it would be over in days" was what Putin thought, not everyone. And now he's stuck in a quagmire that's killed or wounded over a million Russians, and your stunning rational totally not straight from Putin conclusion is the only way to end this is give Putin everything they occupy.


You aren't doing yourself any favours this week with your posts, if you are looking to be taken seriously around here. Don't worry though, there are no shortage of unserious posters stumping for monsters on CP. You can have a seat, too. Right next to Pointman.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

All Trump hate aside, if he pulls funding for the Ukrainian resistance, Putin can roll tanks over the entire country. Let's not forget that everyone thought this would be a complete wipeout and over within days. American military aid has been the only thing stopping Putin from achieving all of his goals easily.

Will the European leaders that are lobbying Trump to avoid Ukraine from ceding territory replace the American military funding? I don't think so. The only way this ends is if Russia get to keep what they've taken.

U.S. military aid has helped, but the will of the Ukrainian people and their desire to not be destroyed can't be underestimated. It's not really funding at this point, but personnel that's the real bottleneck. The funding is more of a stop gap measure to allow Ukraine to buy time and prevent Europe from having to escalate the war to a place no one wants it to go. Allowing Russia to invade, occupy, and annex other countries isn't an option for Europe.

If the U.S. pulled support for Ukraine, the next step would be European countries sending in actual personnel to defend Ukraine, and not just throwing money at it. If the North Korean military taking part in the occupation of a European country isn't a red line, then a country like France sending in their military into unoccupied Ukraine (invited) isn't either, something which France already hinted they could do if requested. It's really not in anyone's best interests to just let Europe handle it.

[Itse]

So once again Putin gets everything he wanted from Trump, while Trump gets absolutely nothing back.

Truly a master of deals.

Well okay, Trump successfully distracted from.the Epstein files, so he got that.

Beyond that, another TACO incident.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

There's no way they can keep fighting without American military support - the Europeans are simply too cheap to contribute enough to make a significant difference on the battlefield.

That is false.

The majority of committed support by country has come from the United States, whose total aid commitment is valued at about $128 billion. The U.S. is followed by the United Kingdom and Germany for highest commitments overall. The European Union as a whole has committed approximately $124 billion in aid to Ukraine.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...aid-to-ukraine

[Itse]

Also worth noting that US has a habit of massively overstating the dollar value of its contributions, for example by counting the per unit value of rusting M113s on the basis of brand new IFVs, and also just having a big disparity between "commitment" and actual delivery.

On the other side, European countries like to downplay the monetary cost of supporting Ukraine, and additionally countries like Finland don't even make all their donations public, especially when it comes to materiel.

Plus there's all the support that happens in the form of investment into weapons production either in Ukraine or with Ukraine, which also isn't counted at all because that goes through corporations.

Then there's costs like taking on the Ukrainian refugees, and also the vast majority of the cost of Russian sanctions is being carried by Europe.

[Fuzz]

[dissentowner]

Trump today said he agreed with Putin's plan to take parts of Ukraine to end the war. We always knew this was what is end game was. Gotta back his buddy. When is the US going to rise up against this government.

[LanceUppercut]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Trump today said he agreed with Putin's plan to take parts of Ukraine to end the war. We always knew this was what is end game was. Gotta back his buddy. When is the US going to rise up against this government.

Any time someone in the US says they need the 2nd amendment to protect themselves from the government, we can now tell them they are full of ####.

[OldDutch]

This is a great listen. Explains how Putin is is a horrible negotiating position, with his back against wall. Russia is indeed collapsing, and expansion is all it can do to save itself.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/put...oming-collapse

Which brings us to Trump. Likely Russia has all it needs on him via Epstien, and Trump knows it. Or, maybe (less likely) Trump wants Russia to survive, to stave off the Chinese taking Siberia. Or both.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by LanceUppercut

Any time someone in the US says they need the 2nd amendment to protect themselves from the government, we can now tell them they are full of ####.

[DownInFlames]

I still have friends posting about their trips to the U.S. on social media. I want to call them out without being a dick but it's tough.

[puffnstuff]

No it isnt. Do it. I have.

[DownInFlames]

My friend is a huge NIN fan and he was in Denver to see them last night. I replied, "I'm happy to see you're having fun but I'd prefer it if you kept your money in Canada".


Edit: He replied that he bought the tickets last year, which makes sense. He's a good dude.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

That is false.



https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...aid-to-ukraine

Originally Posted by Itse

Also worth noting that US has a habit of massively overstating the dollar value of its contributions, for example by counting the per unit value of rusting M113s on the basis of brand new IFVs, and also just having a big disparity between "commitment" and actual delivery.

On the other side, European countries like to downplay the monetary cost of supporting Ukraine, and additionally countries like Finland don't even make all their donations public, especially when it comes to materiel.

Plus there's all the support that happens in the form of investment into weapons production either in Ukraine or with Ukraine, which also isn't counted at all because that goes through corporations.

Then there's costs like taking on the Ukrainian refugees, and also the vast majority of the cost of Russian sanctions is being carried by Europe.

Trump also bullied Ukraine into giving them mineral rights in exchange for their support. When you factor that in, along with Europe managing the bulk of the refugees, undeclared support, and the fact the U.S. made the situation worse by emboldening Putin simultaneously by praising Putin and humiliating Zelenskyy, the net benefits of their contributions are diminished even more.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Are you a Russian asset? "Everyone thought it would be over in days" was what Putin thought, not everyone. And now he's stuck in a quagmire that's killed or wounded over a million Russians, and your stunning rational totally not straight from Putin conclusion is the only way to end this is give Putin everything they occupy.


You aren't doing yourself any favours this week with your posts, if you are looking to be taken seriously around here. Don't worry though, there are no shortage of unserious posters stumping for monsters on CP. You can have a seat, too. Right next to Pointman.

Okay, come on there, detective.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

This is a great listen. Explains how Putin is is a horrible negotiating position, with his back against wall. Russia is indeed collapsing, and expansion is all it can do to save itself.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/put...oming-collapse

Which brings us to Trump. Likely Russia has all it needs on him via Epstien, and Trump knows it. Or, maybe (less likely) Trump wants Russia to survive, to stave off the Chinese taking Siberia. Or both.

This would be great, but we've basically been hearing this since 2023.

[WideReceiver]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

I still have friends posting about their trips to the U.S. on social media. I want to call them out without being a dick but it's tough.

I write a travel blog. We recently ended a Japan trip by sailing to Alaska and Vancouver. I covered Japan extensively but ignored the Alaska leg. We’d booked the trip quite some time ago.