[Rumour] Andersson confirms he turned down a "very good" offer from another team

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Except they don't. They like to spend their dough, and they want their dough now. Read a Russian or Slovakian interview with a player. It's all cars, houses, money.

Lots of these guys have no patience for a deferred revenue plan. Plus, the taxes have to be paid. The sheltering doesn't save them that much at the end of the day.

Depending on where they live now and where they plan to live upon retiring, deferring their taxable earnings can save them a tremendous amount of taxes.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Agreed, but for the kind of money Andersson is making, he can easily afford the best private school in the area if the public schools aren't up to standard. It's the American way.

Still, it's not a logical reason for him to turn down a deal that would pay him the kind of money he's looking for. Even in the most war torn banana republics, money solves a lot of problems.

Sure, but it's not like LA is the only option available to Ras. Worst case scenario, he rides out the contract and hits UFA, and goes to a city of his choice. If it was a choice between LA making millions and not having a contract anymore, then I'd agree with you.

I really do have a feeling living in Stockton really soured Ras in living anywhere near there. Plus, with the political powder keg situation down there and all the craziness, I can see why as a European, you'd not want to raise your kids in that type of education system.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I don't either, but if he is only looking at 1-3 teams that he wants to play for, maybe just take the best offer from whoever isn't on his no trade list. Prices aren't going up at the deadline.

McKenna sweepstakes could see teams tanking more than normal by the deadline. If Vegas is 1 team Ras want, by the deadline Vegas might have many options.

I do not think there will be that many teams "tanking" this season. The Penguins and Flyers are both looking like they are headed in that direction. The rest of the teams all looking like they are trying to improve and get out of the basement.

The Sharks, Blackhawks, Sabres, Ducks group that has been tanking forever are not going to want to blow yet another season. Not only would that continue to disengage their fans but it would also increase the risk that the young star players that they already have (Bedard) will start looking for an exit from a perpetual rebuild.

We might see a team like the Bruins that was on the bubble but then slid outside of the wildcard race a little bit and opted to sell at the deadline but they won't be tanking hard all season long and they won't be trading McAvoy. Same with the Red Wings, even if they are selling this year they wouldn't sell Seider.

Aside from Karlsson, I do not see a lot of alternatives for teams who are interested in Andersson.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I would assume that Rasmus decided against going to LA simply because he doesn't view them as being a contender in the next 8 years. If I am him, I am trying to get myself onto a team that seems likely to be a good team not just this year, but for the next 8 - at least as best as I can. I wouldn't pick LA either. I think they screwed their rebuild and are likely going to be a good team, but not one that is likely to challenge for the cup. When Kopitar (37) and Doughty (35) retire, they get firmly moved into the 'bubble team' for me, quite honestly, unless Byfield turns into a franchise center, as well as a couple of their younger guys hit their ceilings (which is a lot to hope for). I think they end up as a bubble-team soon.


I am spit-balling here, but maybe the Rangers do better this year and get into the Andersson market. By looking over their roster, I think they could use him. Will Andersson agree to extend in New York? That's a good question. If they have a good season, I think they have a better chance at re-signing him than LA.



There will be a market for him. I think by the deadline, every contender will have the space for Rasmus at 50%, so even as a rental I think he will be attractive. Still think the Flames get value for him. His highest value has likely been passed (his contract was an asset in itself, after all), but I think he still holds a lot of value, and is likely to go up from what it is at the moment.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Wolven

I do not think there will be that many teams "tanking" this season. The Penguins and Flyers are both looking like they are headed in that direction. The rest of the teams all looking like they are trying to improve and get out of the basement.

The Sharks, Blackhawks, Sabres, Ducks group that has been tanking forever are not going to want to blow yet another season. Not only would that continue to disengage their fans but it would also increase the risk that the young star players that they already have (Bedard) will start looking for an exit from a perpetual rebuild.

We might see a team like the Bruins that was on the bubble but then slid outside of the wildcard race a little bit and opted to sell at the deadline but they won't be tanking hard all season long and they won't be trading McAvoy. Same with the Red Wings, even if they are selling this year they wouldn't sell Seider.

Aside from Karlsson, I do not see a lot of alternatives for teams who are interested in Andersson.

Once the season get going, any team that isn't in the playoff race could change their direction. Right now, very few are thinking tank and because of that Ras is one of few top end players available with more than a few that want him and have the cap to get him.

Deadline, he won't be the top guy available.

I just went through 25 years of trades in the summer. Very few big trades happen in September. Kessel and Heatley both happened 1 sept over a decade ago. Karlsson to the Pens was in Sept, but that was a contract dump.

Kessel, Heatley and most of the big trades were due to contract disputes. Teams don't want to add big players too close to camp. Players need time to move and get settled in before camp. If this trade doesn't happen in the next 3 weeks, it will be a deadline move. IMO that is a mistake as Ras is looking out for himself only. He should, why would he want the Flames to hose his new team of all their top assets?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Why doesn't it mean he just doesn't like LA?

He didn't seem to like SJ either. Or Ottawa.

There were reports he only wanted Vegas, that was said to be false. Maybe it wasn't.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

He didn't seem to like SJ either. Or Ottawa.

There were reports he only wanted Vegas, that was said to be false. Maybe it wasn't.

Again that's not what was said.

There are teams that he is willing to sign with now and bypass free agency: Las Vegas is one of those teams. There may be others, but we don't know.

There are teams he has on his NTC: Ottawa is reportedly one of them. Wed don't know the others but we can probably make some guesses (e.g. Buffalo)

There are teams he has no interest in signing with long-term: Sounds like LA is one.

And then there is an unknown list of teams that he would consider signing with if he reaches free agency.

He doesn't necessarily have a short list of teams he's willing to play for, he has a short list of teams he's willing to sign with to bypass free agency.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Depending on where they live now and where they plan to live upon retiring, deferring their taxable earnings can save them a tremendous amount of taxes.

That may be, but it doesn’t change the fact that most players don’t do that.

And I suspect Rasmussen will live in Malmo.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Again that's not what was said.

There are teams that he is willing to sign with now and bypass free agency: Las Vegas is one of those teams. There may be others, but we don't know.

There are teams he has on his NTC: Ottawa is reportedly one of them. Wed don't know the others but we can probably make some guesses (e.g. Buffalo)

There are teams he has no interest in signing with long-term: Sounds like LA is one.

And then there is an unknown list of teams that he would consider signing with if he reaches free agency.

He doesn't necessarily have a short list of teams he's willing to play for, he has a short list of teams he's willing to sign with to bypass free agency.

Isn't a short list to sign with the same thing? Teams that want him, but he won't sign with aren't wanting to pay Conroy's price. Teams that he will sign with aren't paying up or have the assets.

I would just trade him for the highest offer now and move on. He won't be the only dman available at the deadline and the Bedard draft year, trade deadline was a buyers' market.

Same will happen this year as the 2026 draft is shaping up to be high end.

Maybe Sandman can comment, where would Schaefer go in the 2026 draft?

[howard_the_duck]

TBH I have never understood the sign-and-trade route unless the player is able to manufacture the exact place they want to play and can get the extra year.

There's also the recruitment angle. Teams pitching their best effort and players feeling wanted. It's not for every player, but some (I could see Ras falling into this category) embrace this as their only shot to hit the open market and 'feel the love'. The recruitment side has come a long way over the years; it'd be fun to be part of it for the right personality.

I'll never fault a player who exercises their rights to choose. If I were in Ras' position I'd be doing the exact same thing.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Once the season get going, any team that isn't in the playoff race could change their direction. Right now, very few are thinking tank and because of that Ras is one of few top end players available with more than a few that want him and have the cap to get him.

Deadline, he won't be the top guy available.

I just went through 25 years of trades in the summer. Very few big trades happen in September. Kessel and Heatley both happened 1 sept over a decade ago. Karlsson to the Pens was in Sept, but that was a contract dump.

Kessel, Heatley and most of the big trades were due to contract disputes. Teams don't want to add big players too close to camp. Players need time to move and get settled in before camp. If this trade doesn't happen in the next 3 weeks, it will be a deadline move. IMO that is a mistake as Ras is looking out for himself only. He should, why would he want the Flames to hose his new team of all their top assets?

He very likely will be the top guy available all season long. There are no other teams looking to unload a top pair RHS defender that is under 30. Even if a team changes direction and starts to tank next season, they won't offer up their #1C or their #1RD. Maybe LAK blows it up and puts Doughty on the block

I think there are a number of teams who are heading into camp to see what they have and a few teams are going to start thinking that they do not love what they see:

Stars = Will want to upgrade on Lundkvist or Lyubushkin in their top 4 RD spot
Sharks = Will want to upgrade on Klingberg as their #1RD
Golden Knights = Desperately want an immediate replacement for Pietrangelo (but the Flames would rather they blow a tire this season)
Hurricanes = Will want to upgrade on Walker / Gostisbehere / Chatfield as their RD depth
etc.

The moment one of those GMs sees the gap in their roster, and the lack of alternatives to address it, they will be back to Conroy to see how they can get closer to his asking price.

What I find really weird about your post is that last bit. Andersson wants to look out for himself, as he should, but now suddenly he also wants to look out for his future team's asset management? That is a contradiction. If Andersson cares about his future team giving up assets then he can also care about his past team receiving assets. He can also understand that these transactions have costs and he doesn't have to worry about what the GMs are doing as long as he gets moved to a team he wants to extend with and receives a contract that he is happy with.

[SuperMatt18]

I still think it's where NHL GMs are too passive at times.

If I'm Dallas, Detroit, Carolina, or even San Jose who is rumoured to be interested in Andersson I make the deal now - re-signed or not.

You have 50 games to see the player in your system, see if he's a fit, and try to convince him to stay.

If he's not a fit or your team isn't where you expected to be as of the trade deadline, then you can flip him to another team and recoup assets.

Plus Andersson might be more motivated to sign wherever he's dealt once the decision of an 8 year contract vs a 6 year contract becomes a real threat.

Expecting players to re-sign before they even play a game for you, and not making deals before hand is just playing into the advantage markets like Vegas, Florida, etc have, because if the player gets to UFA then you're always giving those teams an advantage.

I feel like it's a bit of a new era in the NHL and teams have to be more aggressive if they want to compete with the competitive advantage Vegas, the Florida teams, etc have

[Badgers Nose]

It’s because good GMs know that other RD will become available as the season progresses.

They have a value in mind for Ras, and like CC they are firm on it.

I doubt any team thinks they are a Ras away from winning everything, but they might think they are a RD upgrade away and have a list of guys they would like, Ras being one of them.

This situation won’t resolve CC’s way. He’ll end up taking something similar to what was already offered, and we’ll hear about it through the media grapevine.

Can’t blame CC for trying. He has to maximize the return. I just don’t think Ras is a hot commodity.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

It’s because good GMs know that other RD will become available as the season progresses.

They have a value in mind for Ras, and like CC they are firm on it.

I doubt any team thinks they are a Ras away from winning everything, but they might think they are a RD upgrade away and have a list of guys they would like, Ras being one of them.

This situation won’t resolve CC’s way. He’ll end up taking something similar to what was already offered, and we’ll hear about it through the media grapevine.

Can’t blame CC for trying. He has to maximize the return. I just don’t think Ras is a hot commodity.

Exactly. Nobody has a RD available now...why Ras value is higher now

It's hard to predict who will be having a poor season, but at least 8 teams will. Who those 8 teams are will determine who is available. Also, if this draft is considered very strong with a potential generational talent at the top...we could see 10 maybe 12 teams selling at the deadline and no teams wanting to trade their 1sts. Similar to 2023 draft.

Also, if there is a bunch of top LD available at the deadline that are better than Ras, teams aren't going to go for just Ras simply because he is RD. They will add the best players they can get.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

It’s because good GMs know that other RD will become available as the season progresses.

They have a value in mind for Ras, and like CC they are firm on it.

I doubt any team thinks they are a Ras away from winning everything, but they might think they are a RD upgrade away and have a list of guys they would like, Ras being one of them.

This situation won’t resolve CC’s way. He’ll end up taking something similar to what was already offered, and we’ll hear about it through the media grapevine.

Can’t blame CC for trying. He has to maximize the return. I just don’t think Ras is a hot commodity.

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Exactly. Nobody has a RD available now...why Ras value is higher now

It's hard to predict who will be having a poor season, but at least 8 teams will. Who those 8 teams are will determine who is available. Also, if this draft is considered very strong with a potential generational talent at the top...we could see 10 maybe 12 teams selling at the deadline and no teams wanting to trade their 1sts. Similar to 2023 draft.

Also, if there is a bunch of top LD available at the deadline that are better than Ras, teams aren't going to go for just Ras simply because he is RD. They will add the best players they can get.

It is easy to say these things in generic terms but when you actually look, there are very few top pair RD (#2/3 D on the team) that are likely to become available. Also, a team like the Stars who already have 3 LD in their top 4 are very unlikely to want to add another LD.

But if we stop talking in generic terms and pick a team and look, I think the absolute statements "other/better RD will become available" falls apart:

• Kings - If they were to blow up this year they wouldn't trade Clarke. They would likely look at moving Doughty, which would be very hard to do, and Ceci, who they just signed to a 4 year contract.
• Red Wings - If they tank they won't move Seider. Probably Chairot, Holl, or Gustafsson if they can work around the NTCs
• Canucks - If they crash and burn would they trade Hughes or Hronek? I doubt it.
• etc.

Teams will offer up players in their mid 30s or players that are 18-20 minute guys that should be on the third pair of a contender. No other teams will offer up a RHS D in his 20s who plays 24 minutes per night unless they are forced to (Dobson).

Note: you can look at the list of UFAs for 2026 and see that there isn't another Dobson coming up.

However, for arguments sake: Yes, another RD that is equivalent or better than Andersson could become available this year.... but even if that does happen, there are 5+ teams looking for an upgrade in RD and only 1-2 available players. The market for Andersson won't change dramatically if one or even two other player becomes available because there are still more buyers than sellers.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Exactly. Nobody has a RD available now...why Ras value is higher now

It's hard to predict who will be having a poor season, but at least 8 teams will. Who those 8 teams are will determine who is available. Also, if this draft is considered very strong with a potential generational talent at the top...we could see 10 maybe 12 teams selling at the deadline and no teams wanting to trade their 1sts. Similar to 2023 draft.

Also, if there is a bunch of top LD available at the deadline that are better than Ras, teams aren't going to go for just Ras simply because he is RD. They will add the best players they can get.

Because of the quality of the draft, I think getting unprotected 2026 picks is already going to be tough. As you approach the deadline, teams interested in Rasmus will be the ones in contention, who no longer are worried about their 1st because they have more visibility into where they likely will end up.

Or you focus on getting 2027 picks with less protection.

This is also why teams like Detroit, LA, CBJ, Ottawa who maybe had some interest in Rasmus weren't going to trade an unprotected 2026 1st, or at minimum, not without knowing they could re-sign him.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Because of the quality of the draft, I think getting unprotected 2026 picks is already going to be tough. As you approach the deadline, teams interested in Rasmus will be the ones in contention, who no longer are worried about their 1st because they have more visibility into where they likely will end up.

Or you focus on getting 2027 picks with less protection.

This is also why teams like Detroit, LA, CBJ, Ottawa who maybe had some interest in Rasmus weren't going to trade an unprotected 2026 1st, or at minimum, not without knowing they could re-sign him.

This is true. Ottawa in particular is an interesting team as they're in desperation mode to win playoff series in the next couple years to hopefully keep Tkachuk, which is likely why they're still sniffing around, as a right handed d like Andersson seems to be a good fit... but if they trade a first that ends up to be a top 10 pick this year or next, without getting the player extended, Tkachuk is gone anyway and Staios probably doesn't come back from that. (the fans have recently lost a couple of very high first round picks as a result of GMs being impatient, so they'll be one of the angriest fanbases if they lose another.)

Staios could still do a deal (if Andersson waives) with a mind to court the defender, but it'd be a really bold move, and he's pretty early on with the Senators and as an NHL GM, so it would take a considerable amount of balls.

He probably needs to do something like this in the next couple years, but does he feel confident that Andersson is the right guy to bet so much on? Maybe at the trade deadline if his first is likely a bottom 15 pick, but probably not yet.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Wolven

It is easy to say these things in generic terms but when you actually look, there are very few top pair RD (#2/3 D on the team) that are likely to become available. Also, a team like the Stars who already have 3 LD in their top 4 are very unlikely to want to add another LD.

But if we stop talking in generic terms and pick a team and look, I think the absolute statements "other/better RD will become available" falls apart:

• Kings - If they were to blow up this year they wouldn't trade Clarke. They would likely look at moving Doughty, which would be very hard to do, and Ceci, who they just signed to a 4 year contract.
• Red Wings - If they tank they won't move Seider. Probably Chairot, Holl, or Gustafsson if they can work around the NTCs
• Canucks - If they crash and burn would they trade Hughes or Hronek? I doubt it.
• etc.

Teams will offer up players in their mid 30s or players that are 18-20 minute guys that should be on the third pair of a contender. No other teams will offer up a RHS D in his 20s who plays 24 minutes per night unless they are forced to (Dobson).

Note: you can look at the list of UFAs for 2026 and see that there isn't another Dobson coming up.

However, for arguments sake: Yes, another RD that is equivalent or better than Andersson could become available this year.... but even if that does happen, there are 5+ teams looking for an upgrade in RD and only 1-2 available players. The market for Andersson won't change dramatically if one or even two other player becomes available because there are still more buyers than sellers.

You list the Red Wings, Canucks and Kings? That is it. Why is that the list?

Kings - I doubt they are sellers, but if they were Doughty has 1 year after this year remaining. If they sold, would they retain salary to get more for Doughty? I think they would.

Canucks - if they made Hronek available, he would be ahead of Ras by a fair amount. He is 27 and his contract expires when he is 35. Ras likely signs to he is 38 and gets more per year. I'll take Hronek

Red Wings - aren't trading Seider

NYI - why are they not on the list? Pulock and Mayfield might be good adds for cheaper and have better contracts

Seattle - Larsson and Dunn? If they decide to tank, both could be available. Dunn is a lefty, but he can play his offside

Preds - Josi? If they tank will Josi move at some point. He plays both sides

Ducks - Trouba could be a cheap pick up

Pens - Karlsson

Flyers - Risto is almost a UFA

There will be more than Ras available at the deadline. Right now, it seems only Ras is available right now with at least 3-5 teams interested.

[ForeverFlameFan]

It is times like this that I wish conditional picks could be available if a player re-signs with the team. I hate that they took that away. It may skew the value of the player, but at the same time it at least was a safety net for the buyer if the player only played there as a rental.

[EVERLAST]

The way successful teams are ruthlessly run these days some things need to be highlighted.
It's a business!! Loyalty??? Time served? Originally draftedby?

None of this matters when your depth chart is nipping at the heels of veteran players who cannot bring it anymore and the Flames are smart not allowing ease and comfort into their vocabulary anymore.

We've been mediocre at best for as long as I've been cheering and that's a long time .....I'm guilt of cheering for certain guys for far too long.

Thanks for your service( certain player) ....be it a player or coach or whatever ....and maybe or most definitely FANS who think over valuing their favorite player because of 2 year old contribution matter....it DOESN'T!!!

Let us move on , get better and don't get attached to anyone because if I'm running this club unless you can play producing Ws ....your gonzo!!!

Thanks Raz . I like what you've done , where you came from ( Fatmus Sandwicherrson) but even if your passion remains your performance doesn't move the needle anymore and I'm sorry but Craig if you don't do something soon the look of this isn't a good one. ....its a bad message moving forward.

Let's demand better . Everyone needs to get on board . Or nothing changes.