[News] The Athletic releases list of worst contracts (we’re #1!)

[habernac]

Yeah, he’s a 200 foot player now, doesn’t resemble the one who was traded here. I have no clue what Vancouver is trying to do. They should have done everything possible to get rid of Petterson before the no trade kicked in.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

96 points and a 16th place finish isn’t “helping the tank”

He didn’t produce to his expected level but he was one of the 6? best players on the team last season

Sure. But his value falls every year because he's already peaked and aging into his 30s. He was a first liner last year, is a second liner this year, and will be a third liner a couple seasons from now. His game won't translate super well to a third line role either.

And he's great in the locker room.

I think he's perfect

[Mr.Coffee]

Nurse is a worse contract than Huberdeau for sure but i also think that Frederic deal for eight (8!!!) years is a train wreck. 15 points last year, yeah he deserves 30 million. That Bouchard contract is a yikes too.

There are many worse contracts than Huberdeau now. Dino7c says it best he’s overpaid by $3mm but it doesn’t make it the worst. Nurse is a literal liability out there.

The list sucks and nobody is “overreacting” haha- more like just posting opinions.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Nurse is a worse contract than Huberdeau for sure but i also think that Frederic deal for eight (8!!!) years is a train wreck. 15 points last year, yeah he deserves 30 million. That Bouchard contract is a yikes too.

There are many worse contracts than Huberdeau now. Dino7c says it best he’s overpaid by $3mm but it doesn’t make it the worst. Nurse is a literal liability out there.

The list sucks and nobody is “overreacting” haha- more like just posting opinions.

Severally overpaid D that you think have unmovable contracts seems to get traded more often then you would expect vs wingers who are a dime a dozen

I feel like with a few million retained the oilers could get out of the Nurse deal taking a contract back . Teams are willing to take chances on bigger physical D. I don’t think the Flames would have a hope of getting out of the Huberdeau .

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Sure. But his value falls every year because he's already peaked and aging into his 30s. He was a first liner last year, is a second liner this year, and will be a third liner a couple seasons from now. His game won't translate super well to a third line role either.

And he's great in the locker room.

I think he's perfect

The problem is as he gets worse the team is getting (or should be) better and leaving a rebuild

He’s hurting the tank now by playing decent , and will hurt the future competing team by getting worse as he ages

Perfect is the last word I would use haha

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The problem is as he gets worse the team is getting (or should be) better and leaving a rebuild

He’s hurting the tank now by playing decent , and will hurt the future competing team by getting worse as he ages

Perfect is the last word I would use haha

Its just so....Flames.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The problem is as he gets worse the team is getting (or should be) better and leaving a rebuild

He’s hurting the tank now by playing decent , and will hurt the future competing team by getting worse as he ages

Perfect is the last word I would use haha

Kadri is aging too. And Vets with positive value will be traded as they near UFA status. Meanwhile, with the flames picking in the mid-first round, new draft prospects are 3-5 years away from meaningfully contributing. And Conroy has shown meaningful restraint with regards to signing new UFAs.

If you run through the progression of it, things get a lot worse before they get better IMO.

[HockeyKhan]

A player with 0 points during the regular season but wins the Conn Smythe is easily worth 8 million or more.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I don’t recall anyone saying it’s an advantage, but there is an entire segment of analytics based on games played or per 60 minute metrics that have a ton of value. While Petterson is still behind Huberdeau in points per game, Petterson is still young enough to have a rebound year(s). I’d bet if there was a vote Huberdeau for Petterson it would be a landslide yes vote to accept the trade.

But what he’s saying is that a guy who maybe is better per 60 but doesn’t play as many 60s isn’t a good thing.

[FireGilbert]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

You don’t understand why people hate Huberdeau’s contract?

That’s crazy. He has underperformed for 3 years now

He has been the highest paid on a lottery team. It would be hard not to hate it.

Yeah it’s a bad contract that should have never been offered, but hating and calling it the worst contract in the league is an overreaction.

I’d argue it’s not even the worst contract on the Flames after Sharangovich’s dud season.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

Yeah it’s a bad contract that should have never been offered, but hating and calling it the worst contract in the league is an overreaction.

I’d argue it’s not even the worst contract on the Flames after Sharangovich’s dud season.

He scored 0.44 points per game on a team whose offence was truly awful and was paid $3.1 million. His new deal hasn't started yet. What exactly were you expecting?

I assume you're referring to the new deal, and while it might look a little concerning, calling it worse than Huberdeau before it begins is lunacy.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by HockeyKhan

A player with 0 points during the regular season but wins the Conn Smythe is easily worth 8 million or more.

obviously, unlikely he wins a Conn Smythe during this contract though

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

But what he’s saying is that a guy who maybe is better per 60 but doesn’t play as many 60s isn’t a good thing.

Yep I fully understood him, it’s just not great logic when injuries can happen to anyone at any time. Applying that same logic to the flames would mean we should more or less write off Zary as he’s frequently injured, you won’t get many 60s out of him.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by HockeyKhan

A player with 0 points during the regular season but wins the Conn Smythe is easily worth 8 million or more.

I would praise the flames if they hand out $50m+ to the player than wins a conn Smythe for them. I don't care if he gets 0 points on that contract. You win a conn Smythe and bring home a cup...I'm happy to pay for past performance.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Yep I fully understood him, it’s just not great logic when injuries can happen to anyone at any time. Applying that same logic to the flames would mean we should more or less write off Zary as he’s frequently injured, you won’t get many 60s out of him.

It certainly means he isn’t as valuable to the team if he can only play 60. And I suspect that’s a big factor in the Zary discussions.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I would praise the flames if they hand out $50m+ to the player than wins a conn Smythe for them. I don't care if he gets 0 points on that contract. You win a conn Smythe and bring home a cup...I'm happy to pay for past performance.

Flames fans should know better than any other fanbase how regular season success means SFA compared to winning rounds or making the finals. The list of Flames' players who have had great regular season success only to get bounced in round 1 or not make the playoffs is depressingly long. Would I trade any of Iginla's best seasons for a cup win? Damn right.

The Kane/Toews contracts IMO were perfectly fine. Both players brought 3 cups to Chicago and that was the price to pay. I would gladly trade a decade or 2 in the dumps (which we experience anyways) for 3 cups in my lifetime.

[dino7c]

The list we are discussing isnt about past performance...context

Obviously a cup is well worth a bunch of bad contracts after, they are still bad contracts

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by habernac

Yeah, he’s a 200 foot player now, doesn’t resemble the one who was traded here. I have no clue what Vancouver is trying to do. They should have done everything possible to get rid of Petterson before the no trade kicked in.

I think you’ve got to trade Q Hughes if you’re gonna do that too. No way he wants to stay if EP40 was traded. FWIW, he *should* have been traded. That contract and NMC is unmovable now.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by habernac

Yeah, he’s a 200 foot player now, doesn’t resemble the one who was traded here. I have no clue what Vancouver is trying to do. They should have done everything possible to get rid of Petterson before the no trade kicked in.

I disagree, I think this is just a way for the Flames community to feel better about the contract. Started out as a couple people saying it a few years ago and now it's become a fact to most.
I think we are mistaking the system we play vs Florida for him being a more complete player.
Also, who has 115 point winger on their team and then wishes they were a more complete player?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

I disagree, I think this is just a way for the Flames community to feel better about the contract. Started out as a couple people saying it a few years ago and now it's become a fact to most.
I think we are mistaking the system we play vs Florida for him being a more complete player.
Also, who has 115 point winger on their team and then wishes they were a more complete player?

Disagree especially with the last sentence. You have been around here long enough to remember how divided this team and fanbase was with Iginla and how he needed to change his game to be a more complete player despite being one of the top scorers and point producers in the league.

I don’t see why Huska puts Huby on the PK in year 3 if he does not trust him away from the puck?